The biggest take away I got from the article was the need to make software last and function even on older devices. They mention ios 12 working on an iphone 5 which really does not impress me. I have an iphone 4s as my daily driver and it can only get ios 9.x. The biggest problem lies in the app store. I can not use many of the apps, some that previously worked because they all want the person to be on the latest ios. Nothing wrong with the phone other then I am slowly being locked out of apps.
Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
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iOS support has steadily increased over time. "[iOS 12] covers five previous generations of iPhones, stretching back to the iPhone 5S." https://www.fastcompany.com/90237242/take-apples-advice-dont... Yes, as hardware improves and the OS and applications take advantage of this hardware, newer applications may run slower on older hardware. I'm not aware of any phone manufacturer or OS for which this isn't true. AFAIK,…
It shows that sustainability is not even an afterthought. Everybody is ok with throwing away perfectly working devices (i.e. devices that were blazing fast just a couple years ago and now, with some crippling os updates, take 10 seconds to open a PDF) just because they're 3-5 years old. Let's see if Apple really does change their policy on this. For premium, very expensive phones, it would be reasonable for them to b…
> Everybody is ok with throwing away
> perfectly working devices
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> it's not worth it to spend huge amounts of time to support a phone you're no longer selling Unfortunately, without the newer versions of the iOS the phone loses functionalities pretty quickly (the apps will require newer versions of iOS), which, quite conveniently for Apple, will make you need to buy a new one. Aka planned obsolescence. But kudos for getting at least one version of iOS to perform better than the la…
Wow the downvotes without comments are interesting. I can only guess that they are from people who are so used to getting f*cked by the tech industry that they don't see anything wrong in having to throw away a perfectly-functioning device only because it's 3-5 years old. Now imagine cars were made like that.
Maybe people just don't think your claim that everyone throws away perfectly-functioning devices is true.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#114Another corporate Apple Fanboi spotted.
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>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.
Yes but iOS 11 was really slow. Does it run faster than iOS 6?
The iPhone 5S was launched with iOS 7, so this question can't be answered by any consumer.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#116You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…
Are other manufacturers better? They used to be. Many still are, although unfortunately many follow the path led by Apple. Here's an educational link for those who think everyone else is as bad as Apple: https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability I have a HP ProBook myself and as far as laptops it is a joy to work on. Very repair-friendly. I can get to the hard drive, battery, CPU and RAM in minutes with no trouble…
> Apple has been systematically and consistently working against repairability and upgradability for decades -- pretty much ever since the original Macintosh. If they want to suddenly change now that's great. I'll believe it when I see it.
You say this, but your link shows that the 2011/2012 Macbook Pro is pretty high in the charts with a score of 7/10. Even then the biggest flaw they point out is the use of tri-wing screws.
I agree that currently Apple isn't embracing ease of repairs in its laptop lineup, but to say that they've been working against it for decades is a bit of an overstatement.
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> I'll believe point #2 when Apple stops making every succeeding generation of their products harder for end-users to repair. Shiftphones[1] can be completely dissembled and repaired by the end-users, and they don't look any different from other smartphone. So, it's certainly possible to do. However, I don't think that's what an average Apple customer prioritizes. "The thinnest and lightest iPhone ever" sells much be…
As people start keeping their phones longer, they will start preferring phones that are more durable and repairable. Making cars that break after a few thousand miles worked out for GM and Chrysler right up until the Japanese and German competition arrived.
The thing smartphones is, that many people actually do want to replace them every few years for a better camera, a better screen, or for some trending feature-of-the-year, like a fingerprint reader or wireless charging. Aren't most Americans replacing their perfectly working flagship smartphones every 2 years?
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#118You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…
I think if you try to extrapolate your or my willingness to repair something to the overall market for the iphone, it would be an error. What are the tradeoffs for a user replaceable battery? (really, this is something we should all know if we are arguing FOR replaceable batteries - maybe it's not the best idea? I would wager 99%+ of sales go to people who never want to touch the innards of a phone. And anecdotally,…
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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#119The biggest take away I got from the article was the need to make software last and function even on older devices. They mention ios 12 working on an iphone 5 which really does not impress me. I have an iphone 4s as my daily driver and it can only get ios 9.x. The biggest problem lies in the app store. I can not use many of the apps, some that previously worked because they all want the person to be on the latest ios…
iOS is now 64bits only. That disqualifies everything prior to iPhone 5S.
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Oh, but I have... 30 years here (Cambridge and Southern NH) and every one of mine and many of my friends have been done by me. Air tools, acetone/ATF mix, and a propane torch are your friend at times.
You forgot your 4lb baby sledgehammer to "encourage" the rotor to pop off :)
Yup. Bad memories for sure. That's why I love the makers who put threaded holes in two places on the rotor into which you insert bolts and press the rotor off with the bolts. Honda does it; I can't remember if Mercedes does it consistently or not.