Live data from Hacker News

In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

computerworld.com

111–120 of 352 posts

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#111

The new look Gmail has performed very poorly for me. Hanging for extended periods while changing views, and during search. I'm not sure why a UI refresh would have such an effect but I've been avoiding switching because of this

I hate how when hovering over labels or threads it hides the information that was previously shown, such as number of unreads in a label or received time for threads. The UX of the new UI is amazingly bad.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate how it collapses the left menu bar (Inbox, Drafts, Sent etc) to icons only and then has a big lag to open the menu drawer and show the texts when you hover over it. Gmail was better when it was simpler.

Doesn't it stay pinned if you click the hamburger icon on the top left?

Ah, never knew that!

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#113

The new look Gmail has performed very poorly for me. Hanging for extended periods while changing views, and during search. I'm not sure why a UI refresh would have such an effect but I've been avoiding switching because of this

I hate how it collapses the left menu bar (Inbox, Drafts, Sent etc) to icons only and then has a big lag to open the menu drawer and show the texts when you hover over it. Gmail was better when it was simpler.

You can change that so it's always expanded.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#114
post #14

I'll miss reminders the most because I use my mail client as my ToDo lost as well. I switched to Gmail preemptively and I'm back to writing emails to myself again...

I’m pretty sure the new Gmail has a todo list built into it called Tasks. Could be only with Gsuite though.

Gmail’s tasks are inferior to Inbox’s reminders. For one they don’t have recurring tasks. The ease of creating a reminder and snoozing it just like an email was killer. Of the hundreds of todo apps made over the decades, Inbox finally nailed it. I’ll greatly miss Inbox.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#115

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

"The trust must be restored." Playing devil's advocate, what happens when the trust doesn't become restored? The company loses ad revenue? Developers flee in mass droves to...Yahoo and Microsoft? Look what happened when people "lost trust" in Facebook. Shares are down 4% relative to a year ago. Is the company permanently crippled? Are people revolting and moving to alternate forms of social media? Fewer of the people…

Regulation / anti trust/ nationalization.

Not too far fetched given that DJT is presidente.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#116
post #51

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

I don’t know, they lost me with this one. They were on their initiation to join the ranks of the evil the last few years, but they’ve really stepped up their game this year and become a full fledged member. I used to be a 100% Google products user, but my faith that it is fundamentally a good and ethical company has been systematically destroyed in the past years.

Yep. I'm getting off the Google train.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#117
post #39

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Did you consider Google cloud, and reject it because you don;t trust Google? that's different from not considering gcp at all :)

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#118
post #39

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Microsoft have done a few of their own u-turns on developers.

The most recent that springs to mind is the ditching of ADO in favour of ODBC which pissed a lot of developers off. There are plenty of other examples.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#119
post #16

I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

I was a fanboy too and feel the same.

The things that rub me the most seem to be problems I think from the way the hire people. The average stay at google is like 2.5 years, so most of the things I loved were created by people who are no longer there ( I am sure there are some staples that stay there, but ... )

They tend to higher young and fresh out of school people who know algorithms but seem to lack a strong foundation in computer history. Not just normal computer history (the why things are the way they are) but they lack even the historical history with the products they are working on. You can see this in the way their products have changed and either lost features, or changed features in a fundamental way that break them.

I think many of the problems created area also created from the altitude that "they are the best and brightest so whatever they think must be right". I know this generalization does not hold true in all cases. This sort of attitude can be seen most recently in the way they are handling "www" and "m" domains, and then even suggesting that they would somehow just make the change and then assume they could push a standard on the rest of the internet. There are other cases but don't have the time or will to detail every one of them.

The google today is not the google many of us fell in love with.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

#120
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After being a keen Google user in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, I’ve been in on a process of extracting them from my life now their true creepy colours are on display. YouTube => Deleted Google plus => Deleted Gmail => Deleted, switched to Soverin [0], works great, less than $4 per month for 25gb email hosting Drive => Deleted, moved to iCloud Docs => Deleted, use iWork for docs and Bear [1] for text Search => Duck Du…

Soverin sounds like a good project. What do you make of the fact that the warrant canary hasn't been updated since May, though? https://soverin.net/warrant-canary

Aren't warrant canaries valid until removed? Dates on them don't matter.
Post reply on HN