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Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by fabrice_d » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 2:44 AM UTC

mook wrote: post #96

biktor_gj wrote: post #59

Hey, first of all, I love to see the custom rom scene still doing its thing. I think we need to keep fighting to keep our phones as open and as 'ours' as possible. But we, and I mean, a big 'we' as everyone in XDA Developers, Lineage OS developers etc, have as a group a tremendous knowledge in this area.In fact, for the most developed phones, we know almost everything about them. If only everyone could get toghether…

I have vague recollecting of FirefoxOS being like that, where the underlying layer (gonk?) was Android-derived. They certainly didn't go for an Android-compatible app layer though.

Yes, Gonk is composed of the Android kernel, hardware abstraction layer and some userspace daemons.

With HIDL it should be easier to build a clean abstraction on top of any Android base starting at Oreo.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by petecox » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 2:45 AM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #108

petecox wrote: post #100

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> /e/ is not obviously pronounceable On the contrary, it's a scientific notation for a specific pronunciation of the letter e. /e/ represents in linguistics an unrounded closed-mid front vowel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vo...

Keyword is obviously

A naming that encodes its own pronunciation is genius.

'Linux' was non obvious to the point that Linus issued his own voice recording. 'gif' vs 'jif' for the image format, etc.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by sixstringbudha » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 2:50 AM UTC

When I see things like these, I always think. Oh look, another thing that will eventually get bought out.

I mean, I woulnd't want to depend on one of these things unless the people behind them has shown a enough defiance against the buying power of money.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by SubNoize » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 3:29 AM UTC

axaxs wrote: post #75

biktor_gj wrote: post #53

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Then go with Oneplus. 2 years and 2 months and my oneplus 3 with dual sim or 1 sim/ 1 sd card is still working perfectly fine and receiving updates, getting Android P before 2019 (in theory)

Oneplus has never offered an sd card slot

Oneplus X had one. Dual sim and second sim could be used as an SD card.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by bitmapbrother » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 5:42 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #27

vilaca wrote: post #15

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Microsoft is in the phone business too.

Yes that's why they said "2". (Google is in the spyware market, hence cannot be taken seriously).

The real spyware company is Microsoft.

1. They own part of Facebook.

2. They operate an ad company

3. They target their users

4. They steal data from their users Windows PC's and call it "Telemetry"

5. They advertise in their own OS

6. They preinstal bloatware on their own OS

7. They own Linked In (the Facebook of resume's) and data mine their users.

8. They were the first to sign up with the NSA in 2007

9. They operate data centers in China operated by state run companies that give their users data to the Chinese government.

When it comes to spyware, Microsoft has you covered.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by bitmapbrother » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 5:48 AM UTC

mikhailt wrote: post #31

Sileni wrote: post #19

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Still? I thought they had spun off their mobile hardware division and were instead mostly focusing on mobile software. Would make some sense for them to try to do the same thing they did with PCs and IBM back in the day, since the OS is already open source (mostly).

The rumors are they're still doing one last ditch, Surface Phone due to the growing Surface ecosystem that is making them money and people liking it so far. However, they're not going to release that until they finish the CShell that they're working on the past several years.

That's a ridiculous rumor that is perpetuated by windows phone fans that can't accept the reality of their favorite company failed so miserably in mobile. There will never be another Windows phone because no one would buy it and no developer would develop for it.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by Too » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 6:57 AM UTC

biktor_gj wrote: post #59

Hey, first of all, I love to see the custom rom scene still doing its thing. I think we need to keep fighting to keep our phones as open and as 'ours' as possible. But we, and I mean, a big 'we' as everyone in XDA Developers, Lineage OS developers etc, have as a group a tremendous knowledge in this area.In fact, for the most developed phones, we know almost everything about them. If only everyone could get toghether…

> What if we could use the Android Framework as an API layer, instead of rewriting everything for every single version of every single library ever shipped with an Android phone? I am talking on stripping down most of an Android AOSP image, just up to the point where the System Server kicks in (just up to a modified Zygote or something like that), and then use the open Android API specifications to actually talk to the hardware through it.

Sounds like project Treble?

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by LordDragonfang » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 7:18 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #26

“BlissLauncher has original icons“ It looks like a very slight variation of iOS. Not particularly original at all.

I was going to reply and say "original" just means not directly copied, but now that I look back at the screenshot, I would believe anyone telling me that it was of a new iOS version.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by calgoo » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 10:40 AM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #73

Boring. I'd like to see a smartphone that ditches the "app" model (where your phone is an appendage of other people's brands) to a "personal assistant" (where your phone works for you.)

I would like the OS to have 1 messaging app, 1 email app, 1 calendar app etc. Then underneath, each provider has their own interface to their backend. Then we can integrate everything into one system.

Now this idea still needs a lot of work. But, IMO we need to get away from the app model onto some new paradigm. Present us with our information /data directly without having to open apps. Think android widgets on steroids. Windows phone actually had some of this, with letting you create tiles that where contacts or other info.

Re: Leaving Apple and Google: /e/ first beta

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Post by lozenge » Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 10:57 AM UTC

hansjorg wrote: post #58

sannee wrote: post #44

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To be fair, people call drugs by myriads of names. Context usually helps to disambiguate between LSD and MySQL.

The default MySQL table engine (MyISAM) isn't actually LSD compliant.

MyISAM hasn't been the default since 2009