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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by ams6110 »

docdeek wrote: post #23

"Article 11 is intended to give publishers and newspapers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories…” Is there anything stopping a search engine like Google choosing not to link to a newspaper? Surely they can’t be required to link to a newspaper AND then pay that newspaper to do so? The trade-off if Google chose not to link to the newspaper would be a (slightly) less useful search engine,…

Is the license fee really for a simple link? I'd think the other publishers would love for sites like Google to be linking content and driving traffic to their platforms.

If it's about scraping content and presenting it in a separate feed or otherwise outside of the source platform, I can see why they would not want that.

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Post by liveoneggs »

mygo wrote: post #88
cyphar wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Google is without question a monopoly, and so I think that there is a valid argument that it needs to be regulated and be forced to be impartial in the results shown. The fact that they show people's content without giving them page views (in a world where page views are how you get significant amounts of money, not to mention subscription opportunities) is a conscious decision to implement a feat…

> The fact that they show people's content without giving them page views Are you talking about AMP?

mobile Q&A results slide-down-widget thingy is the most egregious imho

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Post by beaconstudios »

lorenzobr wrote: post #50
mscasts wrote: post #9

This is so sad but kind of expected. EU is run by politicians and the public has very little to no insight. After this goes through I will become a single-issue voter, to leave the EU.

Do you really believe this is something politicians came up with in the first place? This is another example of the classic lobbies-driven political decision where politicians pass legislations as a favour to their friends in corporate A or corporate B. Also, if they think this will fix the revenue problems of the majority of newspaper publishers they are certainly wrong, newspaper are not dying because people read n…

> This is another example of the classic lobbies-driven political decision where politicians pass legislations as a favour to their friends in corporate A or corporate B.

It's still the politicians passing the law. The fact that back-handers might be involved only makes them potentially even more corrupt.

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Post by dghf »

cyphar wrote: post #52
docdeek wrote: post #23

"Article 11 is intended to give publishers and newspapers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories…” Is there anything stopping a search engine like Google choosing not to link to a newspaper? Surely they can’t be required to link to a newspaper AND then pay that newspaper to do so? The trade-off if Google chose not to link to the newspaper would be a (slightly) less useful search engine,…

The problem is that Google is without question a monopoly, and so I think that there is a valid argument that it needs to be regulated and be forced to be impartial in the results shown. The fact that they show people's content without giving them page views (in a world where page views are how you get significant amounts of money, not to mention subscription opportunities) is a conscious decision to implement a feat…

> The problem is that Google is without question a monopoly

Is it? I mean, sure, far more people use Google than, say, Bing or DuckDuckGo. But there's nothing actually stopping them from using those alternatives, other than the fact that they're not as good.

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Post by kgwgk »

isthatart wrote: post #80

As a EU researcher, reader and author, I ask: does this reform affect my use of arXiv or say figshare? Until now I don't have a clear answer.

What kind of effect do you think that these laws could have on your use of arXiv?

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Post by heavenlyhash »

So since the majority of the voices here on HN seem to be pretty negative towards this, I think it's worth noting there are some creative voices who are in favor of some copyright law. For example, here's one fellow on the twitter machine who's a composer and seems pleased: https://twitter.com/Howard_Goodall/status/103983376226213478...

Simultaneously, I'm not campaigning in favor of the "link tax" component, here. I think it's widely agreed upon that that part of this proposal is pretty dire bunkum.

But let's not be eager to discard the baby and bathwater together. The idea of some EU copyright policy consensus is not inherently evil. If HN wants to rally about the "link tax" issue, do so. Don't jump directly to "boo, the EU is undemocratic because they didn't do what I want". That's just bizarre and we should be above that.

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Post by psidium »

Oh yeah good luck trying to stop library genesis/scihub/PirateBay with that. Meanwhile everyone else doing business legally will have to suffer while the perpetrators go free.

We already have lots of tools to block user access from the EU, time to upgrade them!

The EU fail to understand that the internet is inherently free and you can’t regulate it well (unless you’re a dictatorship in China, but you have bigger issues there).

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Post by M2Ys4U »

nautilus12 wrote: post #42

Do you think that after GDPR and the fact that everyone actually took it seriously the EU is trying to see if they can keep pulling the same string and making the world dance?

No, this is just lobbying by the copyright industry playing the "look how poor Bono is, he deserves more" card.

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Post by dalbasal »

village-idiot wrote: post #84
dalbasal wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 10 years ago, newspapers got together to try and get Google to give them some money, for the content Google was indexing to populate their news search results. Google's response was to give them better ways of de-indexing content. IE, a way to opt out. Take it or leave it. Naturally, few newspaper took leave it, preferring to get readers & no revenue than no readers and no revenue. Since then, efforts have focu…

I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them .

Google does need them, and all the other content they index and search. Google just doesn't need any individual one of them.

I sympathize with that. Google's market power is problematic. But.. this is not a solution.

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Post by ams6110 »

I'm rather conflicted about this. Whenever big companies say a new regulation is going to be "disastrous" or use other similar hyperbole I'm immediately suspicious.

On the other hand when the government wants to regulate something I'm also immediately suspicious.

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