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Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by rm_-rf_slash » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:30 AM UTC

paraschopra wrote: post #110

Here's an unpopular opinion: such applications aren't going to trivialize art. Like competitive sports, art is all about display of human ability under constraints. This is why even in the age of photographs, we still value hand-painted canvases. Such techniques are simply going to make people more discerning between real effort v/s automated means of generating the same outcome. Rather than thinking AI-assisted styl…

The same argument was made about the Mona Lisa when copies of it began appearing in books and newspapers and such. Instead of obsolescence, it made Da Vinci’s work more popular than ever.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by hellofunk » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:31 AM UTC

paraschopra wrote: post #110

Here's an unpopular opinion: such applications aren't going to trivialize art. Like competitive sports, art is all about display of human ability under constraints. This is why even in the age of photographs, we still value hand-painted canvases. Such techniques are simply going to make people more discerning between real effort v/s automated means of generating the same outcome. Rather than thinking AI-assisted styl…

I entirely agree with you. It's one thing for computers/AI to emulate the creative work that humans have already achieved, essentially copying, or porting, or manipulating prior art, but it's something else entirely to genuinely create something new and fresh and connects with people emotionally, and I have yet to see any evidence that AI is close to this.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by krapp » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:47 AM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #112

paraschopra wrote: post #110

Here's an unpopular opinion: such applications aren't going to trivialize art. Like competitive sports, art is all about display of human ability under constraints. This is why even in the age of photographs, we still value hand-painted canvases. Such techniques are simply going to make people more discerning between real effort v/s automated means of generating the same outcome. Rather than thinking AI-assisted styl…

I entirely agree with you. It's one thing for computers/AI to emulate the creative work that humans have already achieved, essentially copying, or porting, or manipulating prior art, but it's something else entirely to genuinely create something new and fresh and connects with people emotionally, and I have yet to see any evidence that AI is close to this.

Most modern art isn't made to great something new and fresh... it's mass produced pastoral stuff like Thomas Kinkade or connected to a multimedia franchise (book covers, movie posters, game art, etc.) and a lot of that is certainly formulaic and derivative.

Maybe AI isn't able to copy human technique well enough yet but whether it succeeds or fails will have little to do with whether or not it creates work that resonates emotionally like classic art, because that's no longer the purpose of the vast majority of art that people encounter.

And I would argue that human beings, for the most part, copy other human beings anyway. Working within a "genre" and using cultural references and even recognizable techniques are all essentially copying or at least adapting what came before.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by ratsimihah » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:59 AM UTC

What is going here, the world is looking more and more like a movie! Apocalypse soon?

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:11 AM UTC

taneq wrote: post #8

lainga wrote: post #4

Oh boy, those hands at 0:14 are a no for me.

Technically impressive, this is. Canny, it is not.

Is it uncanny then?

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by m0ew » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:13 AM UTC

Very impressive!

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by darkerside » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:14 AM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #94

gpvos wrote: post #65

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Interesting! Do you have examples where it is possible to hear these unnatural overtones?

Pick up any modern pop record. Some are worse than others, but all are auto tuned. Just Google worst auto-tune for examples, because it's so common now, most people don't notice it. Here's a list of some examples: http://www.hometracked.com/2008/02/05/auto-tune-abuse-in-pop... Also, if you're not really musical you might have a hard time picking it out. I found that as soon as I learnt an instrument, songs suddenly b…

I'm pretty sure many of those examples are purposeful uses of autotune for effect

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by darkerside » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #97

throwaway8879 wrote: post #60

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I don't understand this attitude at all. So something that doesn't seem artistic to you simply isn't artistic for anybody else because you decided that it isn't? Autotune is just another processing like reverb, delay, whatever. You think they didn't use any processing on Beatles' records? You think non-autotuned singers don't use a TC-helicon or whatever when they're performing live? Autotuned songs can sound good, j…

There's a difference between using it deliberately and using it because the singer can't sing. I wonder if in 20 years time it will sound incredibly dated, much like 80s synths do today. I'm not particularly against auto tune and ultimately most people don't even notice it being used, but I do sort of understand where the GP is coming from. If your idol can't actually sing, and you saw them live and it's rubbish, wou…

The Killers, and many other tremendously popular (and talented) bands that have intentionally replicated the overproduced 80s sound, would like a word with you

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by monsieurbanana » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:17 AM UTC

paraschopra wrote: post #110

Here's an unpopular opinion: such applications aren't going to trivialize art. Like competitive sports, art is all about display of human ability under constraints. This is why even in the age of photographs, we still value hand-painted canvases. Such techniques are simply going to make people more discerning between real effort v/s automated means of generating the same outcome. Rather than thinking AI-assisted styl…

A interesting parallel could be made with chess. How did Deep Blue affect the interest of humans in the game of chess? I'm not a chess player, but I seem to recall the effect was at least neutral, if not positive.

And more recently with AlphaGo. Now that humans have no chance of ever beating AI again in the game of go, what will change?

I'm a go player so I'm more interested in this question. Professional go players said that AlphaGo is positive for go, that they will be able to learn from it and reach new levels of play.

Although of course their livelihood depends on the popularity of go, it would be bad press for them to say the opposite.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by compute_me » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:20 AM UTC

tommoor wrote: post #15

Oh man, the first company to put this in a mobile app is going to blow up. (I guess it might take a few years for the performance to get there)

Totally what I thought too after seeing this: https://twitter.com/smeddinck/status/1032970885148364800 And, yes of course, the models should easily run in the cloud. Could be a whole application series of "make your friends do X", where X is a hilariously remapped activity ... bonus here: it probably does not hurt if the results are somewhat crappy at times.