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Re: Founders who can't code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw Fried speak at Chicago CocoaHeads, a very technically skilled audience, about two years ago. His presentation was almost entirely a sales pitch for 37signals products, which I thought was very condescending and a missed opportunity.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I haven't spoken at a Chicago CocoaHeads conference.

MEETING: Chicago CocoaHeads / CAWUG Tuesday Jan. 13th, 2009 Agenda: - Special Apple Store Presentation: Jason Fried, founder of 37 Signals - adjournment to O'Toole's When: Tuesday, January 13th, 7:00 PM Where: Apple Store Michigan Avenue 679 North Michigan Ave. (at the corner of Huron & Michigan Ave.)

(Everyone in the audience was a developer.)

Re: Founders who can't code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some CEOs will benefit from this sort of knowledge, others will be damaged by it - there is no simple rule. Sure, but that's a pretty good test as to whether or not you should work for them.

I see that as an startlingly programmer-centric view of the world. I've worked with some great CEOs and not one of them could code or had any interest in coding. In no instance I have ever experienced have I looked at a CEO, good or bad and thought, the best thing you could do for this company would be to spend six months learning to code. A good CEO shouldn't have to have every skill used by their organisation and I…

You're missing the point here, I think, which is that if a founder (not the same thing as a CEO necessarily...) puts a few months into learning the basics of coding and attempting to build a rough prototype, they may end up:

1) with a greater appreciation of the talent/experience required for good development, a better BS detector arond technical issues, and a stronger understanding of what they don't know OR

2) a false impression that proof-of-concept = product and an over-inflated idea of what they've learned.

I definitely agree that founder #2 here is someone to be avoided. Not because either one of them would be expected to contribute to the actual development, but because founder #2 is showing flaws of perception, ego, etc. that are serious red flags, and will affect their execution of non-development tasks.

Re: Founders who can't code

#113
I agree with this so much. Taking the time to learn, just the basics, will save you so much money. Even if you never implement the final project it will leave you in a much better place to negotiate. And if your a coder, take the time to learn about online marketing, same principals apply.

Whatever other skill set you have above all learn to write, if you can write you can express yourself, you can create a business plan, write a blog and write marketing copy and grow your idea on the cheap.

Sean http://seanclark.com

Re: Founders who can't code

#114
I don't know any developers so I have to learn to code myself. I also have not business related experience so that's a double whammy. But I can generate good ideas like a mofo.

While building my prototype I mostly feel like I have no idea what I'm doing but slowly and surely my site's starting to function, grow and work. Its amazing what persistence can accomplish.

I realize I'll have to find a technical co-founder eventually though. I won't be able to hack together a smoothly running and awesome site on my own. I also have no idea where to look for a technical co-founder and how to approach them. Interesting times ahead.

Re: Founders who can't code

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I was working with a business partner on a startup a while back, and what really impressed me was their prototype, consisting of a 'database' of static pages, and updates done manually using the forms-to-email system. The fact that they had a functional prototype, regardless of how horrible the technical implementation was, showed me that they were serious and I'd be able to communicate technical aspects to them much…

(Hm, I remember this submission! Glad to see it being revived... Similar posts spring up all the time.)

a little proof that WordPress can be used for an interesting prototype: http://www.notepeep.com

I don't code and with a handful of plugins and a few changes to some PHP I was able to pull off a functioning prototype.

I'm glad to see technical founders out there appreciating the pseudo-technical work the non-coding bunch of us do.

Re: Founders who can't code

#116
I did this as well - I quit my job, started reading Ruby books and wrote the Alpha version of Pikimal.com. I did this because I'd been the CMO at another start-up where I'd really not understood the dev process well enough and had thought that it had real costs so I have a pretty good sense of the benefits.

We're pretty busy, so let me cut to the chase:

The good: I'm credible to our tech folks. I understand when to slow down to integrate a library, and I'm more than willing to find time to re-factor. I learned that pair programming can be awesome, that bringing on new people slows you down, and a lot of other things that probably seem obvious to technical folks but are non-intuitive when you imagine software as assembling widgets.

The bad: Ultimately, we gave up 3-5 months that we could have been hiring, fund-raising, and building software. On balance, I think that this was good for me and bad for this start-up.

The ugly: As soon as I'd hired people, I think that we should have thrown out most of the code I'd written. We kept it because it worked and was fairly fast, but I'd made A LOT of newbie mistakes that have slowed things down.

So, tl;dr? I'd suggest learning to code but I'm not sure that you should do it for your current start-up. At the very least launch something more sophisticated than a CRUD app and THEN get started on your small biz.

Re: Founders who can't code

#117

This isn't accurate. Most of this is true, but not for the reasons the thread author gave in his piece. Why should a business/non-technical founder learn to code? The answer to this is simple: so that you have better ideas. Or, put another way: learning to code gives you the ability to implement your ideas. And implementing your ideas forces you to recognize, after some time, what works and what doesn't. Hackers who…

++ Exactly. OP has got a great point, but it's narrow sighted in that programming is the end all solution to making business success happen.

This mental framework you elude to might be described in another way... perhaps as 'optimal manifestation frequency'. Someone working in OMF is able to create reality (ie- code, design, deals, etc) at the highest levels of human capacity. Doesn't necessarily matter their particular area of expertise. People in their 'wave of impact' will know what to do.

(/end quantum nerd talk)

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