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Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by pmlnr »

wruza wrote: post #104
pmlnr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how the article looks like on 1280x800: https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png Sticky header/footer, cookie consent covering the menu, not a single line of the content visible. You consider this design good? I might be wrong with this specific site on the JS - it only loaded 121KB Javascript. The actual HTML of the entry is 30. WordPress nowadays upgrades itself to minor version - security patches - without touching…

1280x800 means you can have ad blocker at least (or tampermonkey). Block bottom bar and make header scrollable for this site once. Phones lack this, sadly.

Firefox on Android can install uBlock.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by pmlnr »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #95
pmlnr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how the article looks like on 1280x800: https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png Sticky header/footer, cookie consent covering the menu, not a single line of the content visible. You consider this design good? I might be wrong with this specific site on the JS - it only loaded 121KB Javascript. The actual HTML of the entry is 30. WordPress nowadays upgrades itself to minor version - security patches - without touching…

Having the blog post outside Medium doesn't guarantee them all looking better. On the other side, it is easier to fix one site using custom CSS than it is to fix a bunch. An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant.

> An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant.

It really doesn't. It doesn't fix it for non-firefox and non-power users.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by swebs »

magduf wrote: post #72

The big thing I see missing from all this analysis is the home vs. work distinction. You have people saying "Linux users choose FLOSS because of philosophy, and proprietary software goes against this", you have users saying "I'd have tried it if it were FLOSS and I could just download it and try it", etc., but the problem is: this is a product for working with an Exchange server. How many individual users have a need…

That, and the fact that people who would subscribe to /r/linux may be more ideological. I use Linux because I want a decent OS that doesn't spy on me. I've had no qualms with buying dozens of Linux games off Steam so far.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by GordonS »

nhf wrote: post #49
erric wrote: post #32

`“Hiri” can’t be opened because it is from an unidentified developer.` Is it really expensive for a dev to get a cert from apple? I don't develop so i've never looked.

$99 per year.

$67/y from K-Software if you buy 4 years' at once.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by borracciaBlu »

magduf wrote: post #72

The big thing I see missing from all this analysis is the home vs. work distinction. You have people saying "Linux users choose FLOSS because of philosophy, and proprietary software goes against this", you have users saying "I'd have tried it if it were FLOSS and I could just download it and try it", etc., but the problem is: this is a product for working with an Exchange server. How many individual users have a need…

I do. I work with Linux and on my company we use exchange..

A part for that I pay for: - Skype credit - gitkraken (thanks electron!)

And i would pay and pay and pay for a design software like sketch.. I have a lot of hope on figma.. Let see..

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

wruza wrote: post #104
pmlnr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how the article looks like on 1280x800: https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png Sticky header/footer, cookie consent covering the menu, not a single line of the content visible. You consider this design good? I might be wrong with this specific site on the JS - it only loaded 121KB Javascript. The actual HTML of the entry is 30. WordPress nowadays upgrades itself to minor version - security patches - without touching…

1280x800 means you can have ad blocker at least (or tampermonkey). Block bottom bar and make header scrollable for this site once. Phones lack this, sadly.

Why should people be expected to install an ad blocker and add a load of custom rules just to make a specific website usable? In what world is that reasonable?

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by mikewhy »

pmlnr wrote: post #5

Completely unrelated to the contents: Please, publishers, I beg you: walk away from medium. It's terrible for us, your readers. Set up a static blog, with a domain, go WordPress, Grav, Typo3, anything, but without stupidly large sticky header/footer and without heavy javascript . EDIT: apparently 121KB javascript is not heavy. I still believe it's an overkill for 30KB content.

I don't mind the size of the JS payload, the headers, any of that.

What I can't believe is how poor the experience is reading comments.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by borracciaBlu »

borracciaBlu wrote: post #115
magduf wrote: post #72

The big thing I see missing from all this analysis is the home vs. work distinction. You have people saying "Linux users choose FLOSS because of philosophy, and proprietary software goes against this", you have users saying "I'd have tried it if it were FLOSS and I could just download it and try it", etc., but the problem is: this is a product for working with an Exchange server. How many individual users have a need…

I do. I work with Linux and on my company we use exchange.. A part for that I pay for: - Skype credit - gitkraken (thanks electron!) And i would pay and pay and pay for a design software like sketch.. I have a lot of hope on figma.. Let see..

Sorry, forgot to mention sublime!

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by kevkav »

pidg wrote: post #64
lloydde wrote: post #52

> Turns out there aren’t a lot of email clients for Linux users that work with Exchange / Office 365 Has Linux on the desktop really fallen so far in the last years? When did the decay really set in? How does open source friendly Microsoft not see Linux email clients support falling behind at least as a problem in MS documenting its APIs, if not an opportunity to participate in the major open source clients and influ…

Office 365 comes with a very good web verison of Outlook, which supports more modern features than most email clients do (such as Office 365 Groups). I suspect it doesn't bother them hugely that desktop client support is falling behind on any platform. edited to add: Oddly I can't find much marketing by Microsoft of the browser Outlook, otherwise I'd link it here, but I'd say it's about 85-90% feature complete compar…

I do agree that the Outlook web app is good and is getting better all the time. Personally though (and I think a lot of people would agree), I like to have a standalone email client that doesn't constantly get lost in tab clutter.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

pmlnr wrote: post #112
hiccuphippo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having the blog post outside Medium doesn't guarantee them all looking better. On the other side, it is easier to fix one site using custom CSS than it is to fix a bunch. An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant.

> An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant. It really doesn't. It doesn't fix it for non-firefox and non-power users.

I was starting to think I was the only one with this opinion.

The "Shitty design is fine because I personally know a way to get around it" school of thought never made sense to me.

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