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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mikec3010 wrote: post #87
tehduder9 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>youtube is great for building an audience, but not nessesarily good for keeping it. I wouldn't make that youtube's fault. People just grow out of content or like other content. And the overzealous community guidelines and copyright strikes are a result of hundreds of lawsuits against youtube by the movie industry, and a need to appeal to advertisers for their platform. Youtube barely makes any real income, just bare…

The hypocrisy will be hilarious when people start ripping yt vids and putting them on pt, given how yt was born off pirated content and hid behind "safe harbor" laws to build a browsable catalog. The first clip that came from yt will be met with scathing rebuke from Google's legal team.

> The first clip that came from yt will be met with scathing rebuke from Google's legal team.

Unlikely unless Google owns the copyright.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by golem14 »

nerdponx wrote: post #44
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). You need a centralized discovery service (this is where Tor, I2P, Freenet, IPFS, etc. all fail). Centralized content hosting is different.

And arguably, since discovery is a gatekeeper, it is where the money is.

Hosting is perhaps harder to monetize and definitely more expensive.

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Post by willio58 »

Sangermaine wrote: post #32
willio58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

>Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized No, they aren’t. Of course anyone can put up a podcast, but the successful ones tend to cluster into podcast networks of like shows or join the big podcast groups like Nerdist, Wondery, or Earwolf. Or be a part of an established media company like NPR or Slate. It’s easy to start a podcast but very hard to survive and expand alone.

Isn't the idea of decentralization for podcasts to create an open protocol that anyone can conform to at their choosing? It is the choice of the content creator in those circumstances whether or not they join together in a group. Just because clusters form in a decentralized system doesn't mean the entire system isn't decentralized.

Organisms do find it easier to survive in groups, but the main point here is that even these groups like Nerdist, NPR, etc. would still have publicly available working podcast feeds if somehow iTunes stopped working tomorrow.

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Post by dragontamer »

pschon wrote: post #49

I wonder how this is different than usenet. I can recall our sysadmin complaining about having to manage usenet.

Socially, its not too different. A good netizen will have to manage the servers, just as usenet required good administrators to thrive in the 90s and early 2000s.

Technologically, PeerTube / ActivityPub is built on top of modern protocols which are more fashionable right now. WebRTC, ActivityPub, etc. etc. are all web browser technologies that can be implemented in PHP and Javascript alone.

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Post by hk__2 »

elago wrote: post #10
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

How many centralized social networks have failed too? Most of them. A lot of successful things have had similarities to previous failures. The first step is to actually try something new instead of sitting around nay-saying everything. Personally my opinion Youtube can keep the the drama rage videos, or they can fall off the face of the internet. I just want educational videos and music without constant ads, and I do…

> How many centralized social networks have failed too? Most of them.

That’s still infinitely more successful than decentralized social network attempts.

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Post by rhizome »

tehduder9 wrote: post #72
wongarsu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

youtube is great for building an audience, but not nessesarily good for keeping it. A lot of niches have great success with patreon, but great trouble with keeping their videos on youtube (and in some cases keeping them in their subscribers feeds even when they are not taken down). The issues range from youtube's automatic enforcement of content guidelines (which appears more or less random), their ever increasing st…

>youtube is great for building an audience, but not nessesarily good for keeping it. I wouldn't make that youtube's fault. People just grow out of content or like other content. And the overzealous community guidelines and copyright strikes are a result of hundreds of lawsuits against youtube by the movie industry, and a need to appeal to advertisers for their platform. Youtube barely makes any real income, just bare…

People seriously seriously underestimate the amount time and tech that has gone into youtube.

Sorry, but "yawn." More has gone into nuclear weapons and I'd send those into the sun in a heartbeat, sunk-costs be damned.

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Post by usaphp »

So I have a friend who has a pretty popular YouTube channel and one of the things he complains about is that some users are stealing and them uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them. The benefit of having a central authority is that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright, with a decentralized network it will seem like a very difficult task since there is no regulation, unless I am missing something

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by hk__2 »

flatline wrote: post #59
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Usenet is still a thing, going on 40 years now. It may not be uber popular but it's far from a failure.

> Usenet is still a thing, going on 40 years now. It may not be uber popular but it's far from a failure.

Well, it’s not a failure, but it’s not far from abandon.

Quoting from Wikipedia [1]:

"AOL discontinued Usenet access in 2005. In May 2010, Duke University, whose implementation had kicked off Usenet more than 30 years earlier, decommissioned its Usenet server, citing low usage and rising costs. After 32 years, the Usenet news service link at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (news.unc.edu) was retired on February 4, 2011."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Decline

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Post by dane-pgp »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #77
dragontamer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). I agree. The current Youtube creators have built their models on advertisement, clicks, favorites, etc. etc. PeerTube will never be for them. There's simply no money in PeerTube right now. That's fine however. There's a large section of creators, such as Blender, Edu…

There's no reason you can't build in monetization to peertube, and let the peertube host choose to enable it or not.

A monetization style I'd like to see more of is one where the videos are uploaded, but only a thumbnail or a clip is available by default, until a certain donation goal is reached, at which point the video becomes free for everyone to view, indefinitely.

This looks game theoretically like it will produce a Tragedy of the Commons outcome, but there are plenty of streamers out there who rely on tips while allowing the majority of viewers to be "freeloaders".

Of course, the incentives for donating during a livestream are different from the incentive to donate to unlock a video, but the software/UI could display prominently who it was that contributed to unlocking a video, and who are the major financial supporters of the channel.

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