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Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Ironically, the more interested I am in part of a page the less likely my mouse is going to be over or even anywhere near it. I find the pointer distracting.

If I'm interested in the content of a page, I either swipe the mouse off to the edge of the screen or put it on an area of whitespace so I can scroll with the scroll wheel.

The thought that people are hovering their pointers over stuff they're actively looking at strikes me as odd. Oh well.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

#112

I remember just few years ago there was an article here about a website tracking mouse movement to predict what the user will click and pre-loading the content in the background. It was seen as a huge improvement to the experience and the comments section was full of people saying how cool it is. But hey, now facebook is doing it, so it's suddenly the worst thing in the world?

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Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Lol @ the Facebook army astro-turfing the comment section. "But it's not nefarious..." "But everybody else is doing it too..." "It's not for surveillance, profiling and shadow profiling, pinky promise, trust us..."

"Everyone else is doing it" is totally a valid thing to point out here. It means that, while you can get up in arms about it, you need to get up in arms about the practice industry-wide, using the facebook name to make it sound worse than it is makes this either dishonest or ill-informed. It's a lot easier to get one company (or person) to stop a practice only they do than it is to get them to stop doing something th…

While its fine to point out, it is not fine to use as a reason not to take action. It sort of sounds like you're saying we can't hold any company accountable for anything if at least x% of their competitors are doing it.

Going after the largest offenders and making a big splash is more effective than doing nothing until you can get every company to simultaneously stop something.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I guess mouse movements are a very good way to identify people across websites. It's also an efficient way to distinguish people from machines. Think about the click-only reCaptcha for example.

Change mouse brand to surreptitiously become another person without telling a single lie or changing any normal user data :)

It's about the pattern of movement, not the brand of mouse. Identity identification algorithms are more robust than that.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Like heat mapping a visual UI, there are a lot of people out there recording audio. However, I think that I disagree with you on whether or not sharing the data is important. If you are heat mapping me, like facebook and probably everyone else from Microsoft to CNN and FoxNews does, or you are recording me like everyone from Facebook to Samsung does, I'm sorry, I've got a problem with it. I don't care if you don't sh…

The difference is how the data is used and the whether it's associated with an individual's permanent personal data. If it's only gathered anonymously and used for internal UI improvement, that isn't objectionable. At the other extreme, association with a real-world individual enables many uses that are potentially harmful, such as unmasking those who legitimately prefer to be anonymous. Edit: I wanted to add that I…

Anonymous data is one identifier or clever match away from identification. This is particularly severe for sites/services/hardware that records audio (man, who would knowingly allow that kind of abuse??), but it can apply to mouse tracking too. Mouse tracking fingerprints could be used to re-identify all sorts of other things.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Can apps with access to the camera simply record video and audio whenever they want, even while running in the background?

Yes. AVFoundation provides both a turn-key camera UI view and direct control to the camera and microphone. Correction: Not in the background, but it could do it silently while the app is in the foreground.

Looks like Android P blocks background access to camera and mic too: https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/7/17091104/android-p-prevent...

I can only assume that up until P developers could record both sound and video in the background. That's some scary shit.

[edit] Why isn't there a system level visual indication or audit trail of any camera or mic access? Surely this would be trivial to implement, you could even disable it if you just didn't give a toot about privacy at all.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Lots of websites you would not expect do this; it's not for spying on users but to improve the user experience. Being able to aggregate data or inspect individual sessions is a useful tool to learn how users navigate with a site. Keyboard keystrokes get captured too but the systems are intelligent enough to filter out passwords and payment details. I don't really like this form of monitoring either but I've seen it i…

> Keyboard keystrokes get captured too but the systems are intelligent enough to filter out passwords and payment details. Citation needed. But i did not realize that before, so thank you very much for this information, i will desactivate js on every page with a password field from now on.

I have worked in the past on a tool that recorded user sessions on websites and keystroke collection didn't end up implemented only because we were a small enough company that my strong stance against it could actually block it. It was a feature that often came up from the product team after discussions with customers, and IIRC some competitors already had it implemented back then.

Our own prototype, from before I've actively joined that particular project, tested on some live website helpfully displayed all the content of some textarea of some request form that somebody started to fill in, but afterwards decided not to include some of the details. That was a big eye-opener for me that it's absolutely not a right thing to do. We have ended up implementing a debounced indicator "some typing activity is occurring right now on this field", but we still had to deal with feature requests about content collection.

Judging from quality of some of those competing solutions, I certainly wouldn't bet that they're "intelligent enough". Maybe in 75% of the most common cases, maybe.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Change mouse brand to surreptitiously become another person without telling a single lie or changing any normal user data :)

It's about the pattern of movement, not the brand of mouse. Identity identification algorithms are more robust than that.

I wonder to what degree DPI settings, tracking speed, and acceleration influence this. People will move their mice differently depending on how fast the cursor goes, and it's cursor movement that's being tracked, not physical mouse position.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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They claim they don’t record and track what you say. My spouse claims otherwise, saying she’s gotten hyper-specific advertising for medications that she’s discussed with her patients with the phone in the room.

Facebook didn't claim they don't record what you say. They said very specifically they don't record what you say for advertising . It was specific enough that it almost seems an admission that they use it for something else. However, there are plausible explanations for your spouse getting ads for things she's spoken with her phone in the room - for example, the patient googled the medication later or wrote about it…

I still call maximum shenanigans on that whole concept. You'd think there'd be one hacker out there with a packet dump or disassembly of the application (yknow.. concrete evidence) rather than lame anecdotes that reek of confirmation bias.

Furthermore, I don't believe that Google and Apple (well.. less Google, more Apple) are in cahoots with Facebook to give them a backdoor to device permissions.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

#120
Where I work we track: mouse movements, how long you spend on a specific page, the path that you took to get to a specific page, what you clicked, ip addresses, and basically all information included in the header of the request. We also screen shot everything from when you login to when you logout.
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