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Re: I am leaving llvm

#111

Post by rhapsodic »

chickenfries wrote: post #109
rhapsodic wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My ability to answer you has been hobbled by the moderator's warning, so I'd rather not answer at all. Have a nice day.

It seems you are allowed to respond, just in a civil way that follows the established guidelines

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here:

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project.

I will not quietly submit to bossy bullies like Coraline Ada Ehmke, and I will defend the victims of Coraline Ada Ehmke.

What say you, chickenfries?

Re: I am leaving llvm

#112

Post by kgabis »

YuukiRey wrote: post #90

"The last drop was llvm associating itself with an organization that openly discriminates based on sex and ancestry (1,2)." I think this paragraph says more about the author of the post and his true intentions than the rest of the post.

Could you explain what you think his true intentions are? Because to me it does look both sexist and racist.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#113

Post by GiorgioG »

rhapsodic wrote: post #111
chickenfries wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you are allowed to respond, just in a civil way that follows the established guidelines

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project. I will not quietly submit to bossy bu…

Yep - or how about this nonsense:

https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096?s=20

(I bought the book even though I'm not a Java developer just to support the author(s))

Re: I am leaving llvm

#114

Post by chickenfries »

rhapsodic wrote: post #111
chickenfries wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you are allowed to respond, just in a civil way that follows the established guidelines

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project. I will not quietly submit to bossy bu…

You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with. You talk about disliking tribalism, but you can’t discuss with me without going off topic and trying to make me accountable for people I haven’t mentioned. Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

Re: I am leaving llvm

#115

Post by microcolonel »

pulisse wrote: post #69
shifter wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the downvoters: I'm a liberal speaking from years of working with him in meat space . You may not like what I said but it's accurate.

Lattner's message, in its entirety, was: This list is for technical compiler and tools discussions, lets not turn a thread about Rafael’s personal decision into a rant about CoC’s which we have been through before. If you’d like to have a productive discussion about CoC topics, then please start a new thread and use a respectful and productive tone. If you're being downvoted for a tendentious characterization of the…

> ...a rant about CoC’s which we have been through before.

I mean, seems like Dr. Lattner (with all due respect) wants to suppress discussion of the CoC, despite the fact that discussion of the CoC is warranted and apparently crucial to retaining talent. The CoC has a direct effect on this very mailing list, so it seems like it would be up for discussion there, if anywhere.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#116

Post by dang »

jochung wrote: post #95
morvita wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, dream of a world where I can work with smart people without regard to their race, sexuality, gender, whatever, but it is naive to think that we are already living in that world. Like it or not, the entire system is stacked against minorities in ways that aren't even obvious or noticeable from a position of privilege. I work as an engineer in an office of 120 people in the East Bay. There are three black peopl…

"Centuries of privilege" is the kind of idiocy only a sheltered American suburbanite could come up with. A century ago millions of young white men were too busy dying in trenches and being gassed to death with mustard gas in a war none of them could vote on. Children worked on the field, in factories, and in coal mines, like their fathers were expected to. And yes, women stayed home and took care of the kids because…

> the kind of idiocy only a sheltered American suburbanite

Regardless of your view on a divisive issue, you can't break the HN guidelines like this when commenting here. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do it again.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#117

Post by rhapsodic »

chickenfries wrote: post #114
rhapsodic wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project. I will not quietly submit to bossy bu…

You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with. You talk about disliking tribalism, but you can’t discuss with me without going off topic and trying to make me accountable for people I haven’t mentioned. Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

>You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with.

Hold you accountable... how? I asked if you agree or not with those actions. Or, like me, do you find them reprehensible? It's very relevant to FOSS project CoCs, which is what this post is mainly about.

>You talk about disliking tribalism,

Uh, I made reference to you signalling to your tribe, but you should not assume from that that I dislike tribalism.

>Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

Not really, but if I am, I'm not embarrassed by it.

Do you think the referenced actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke were proper in the context of an open source project? If you do, I won't "hold you accountable" for those actions, whatever that means. My purpose in bringing it into the discussion is to illustrate what these CoCs are really about. They're about defining which political opinions will be permitted to be expressed, and which ones will bring wrath down on the heads of those expressing them.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#118

Post by rhapsodic »

rhapsodic wrote: post #117
chickenfries wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with. You talk about disliking tribalism, but you can’t discuss with me without going off topic and trying to make me accountable for people I haven’t mentioned. Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

>You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with. Hold you accountable... how? I asked if you agree or not with those actions. Or, like me, do you find them reprehensible? It's very relevant to FOSS project CoCs, which is what this post is mainly about. >You talk about disliking tribalism, Uh, I made reference to you signalling to your tribe,…

BTW, chickenfries, I'm sorry that your post (GP of this one) got flagged to death. I clicked its "vouch" link. I hope that helps bring it back.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#119

Post by BillyWM »

rhapsodic wrote: post #24
amyjess wrote: post #15

He gives this as his reason for leaving: > Since agreement [to the code of conduct] is required to take part in the conferences, I am no longer able to attend. For reference, this is LLVM's code of conduct: https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html If somebody finds any of the below to be objectionable and refuses to abide by it, I would not be comfortable attending a conference with that person or being forced to int…

>If somebody finds any of the below to be objectionable and refuses to abide by it, I would not be comfortable attending a conference with that person or being forced to interact them for e.g. code review purposes. Not me. I would perfectly comfortable interacting with such a person, because I'm a mature, professional adult who is not a fragile child that needs to be treated like a kindergartner. I will go out of my…

>because virtually everyone would agree that [sexually explicit material] is not appropriate.

Virtually everyone, except the hordes that thought "DongML" was a laugh riot, of course.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130117043748/http://sheddingbi...

The Libertarian ideal that "people would police themselves equitably if you just leave them alone" is flat out wrong.

Re: I am leaving llvm

#120

Post by mylons »

stillkicking wrote: post #80
jakobegger wrote: post #12

Here’s something I don’t understand. If all you want is to contribute code, why not do that? How does it harm you if someone tries to increase diversity? LLVM is a big project; there’s surely enough space for different people. Some people will focus on the technical bits; others will focus on legal issues, and others can focus on social issues. What’s the problem with that? Why do so many people become defensive when…

Because a code of conduct is just a foot in the door. It provides a pretense for people to seize power and start policing others in the community. That would be only one objection, but as always happens, the rules are not actually what is written, as the OP rightly pointed out. Another recent example was the Rod Vagg drama in node.js... he became the target of ire for tweeting an article about Neurodiversity and Free…

the person you're referencing to with the RAMPANT misandry on their twitter feed is just intolerable and tiring.
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