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Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by dakom »

fbnlsr wrote: post #63
movedx wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good read. Thanks. And I agree: Electron is horrible to deal with as an end-user. I've been using Vim for some time and then decided to use VS Code. The integrations, plugins, and everything else were awesome, but man the 3-4GB of RAM was just crazy. Despite the fact my machine has 16GB of RAM, I'm dealing with quite a few VMs and Docker containers locally, so actually 16GB isn't a lot.

I've been using VSCode for years and it's been great, but I'm always looking for learning something new. I keep reading about Vim and last time I checked it seems SO complicated to use. I don't understand how it's so popular. Is it because it's blazing fast?

I switched over the past month or so - started by using the vim plugin, and then eventually when ditched it and went with vim itself.

The scary thing for me, even after getting used to navigation, was the lack of it feeling like an IDE - autocomplete, compile on save, etc.

After installing some plugins - it's now wonderful and I enjoy it much more than VSCode.

There's a ton of little extra benefits you get from the switch besides the usual - for example, when you use a mouse, the time you spend navigating visually is kinda wasted. With a keyboard, that time is spent thinking about "what's the next parenthesis" or "what's inside these quotes" which turns idle time into something more useful like getting more familiar with the code.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by hungerstrike »

fbnlsr wrote: post #63
movedx wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good read. Thanks. And I agree: Electron is horrible to deal with as an end-user. I've been using Vim for some time and then decided to use VS Code. The integrations, plugins, and everything else were awesome, but man the 3-4GB of RAM was just crazy. Despite the fact my machine has 16GB of RAM, I'm dealing with quite a few VMs and Docker containers locally, so actually 16GB isn't a lot.

I've been using VSCode for years and it's been great, but I'm always looking for learning something new. I keep reading about Vim and last time I checked it seems SO complicated to use. I don't understand how it's so popular. Is it because it's blazing fast?

Vim isn't that popular with coders. Visual Studio and Notepad++ are the most popular across the board while Vim is preferred by Sysadmins according to this Stackoverflow survey from 2017 - https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-mo...

Notice how those numbers don't add up to 100%. They let you pick multiple answers on the survey. Therefore, I would consider Vim percentage even lower in reality since many people would specify it on a survey since they basically have to use it while working on a server.

Vim is used by a small but very loud minority. Don't listen to them - they're optimizing for the wrong thing (keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard) at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by hungerstrike »

sametmax wrote: post #105
sime2009 wrote: post #92

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No they don't. JS running on a modern engine like V8 are easily 10x faster than CPython which PyQt uses. If you think Python and JS are about the same speed then it is because of Qt itself, but certainly not because of CPython.

I have coded with both, and practically, yes, they are. The only place where JS would beat Python would be a big loop with number crunching, which you would do with numpy anyway. Or pypy, which is 50 times faster than V8. A desktop app would not see any difference. A sysadmin script neihter. Data analystics is made using numpy/scipy/pandas. Web sites bottleneck are incredibly rarely the server side scripting language…

You can't say that "a desktop app/sysadmin script/website/etc would not see any difference" without knowing what the app was doing. An app like VSCode has a ton of shit to do.

However, the real problem with PyQT is that Python is relatively garbage compared to JS and that's why it's not nearly as popular as JS.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by LinaLauneBaer »

emadb wrote: post #19
LinaLauneBaer wrote: post #9

I am using Hyper 2 since the beta and I really like it. It has replaced iTerm for me. Performance may still be an issue for some people. For example, printing to stdout seems slower on Hyper than on, let's say iTerm. To me it is noticeable but still feels nearly instant.

Why did you choose Hyper? IMVHO iTerm2 is still far way better as a terminal.

Purely due to aesthetic reasons. I am not using the terminal for any complex stuff and this allows me to use the terminal which looks the best to my eyes. If my requirements change I may go back to iTerm but for now: something simple and nice looking is okay.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by moistoreos »

sanjeetsuhag wrote: post #115
mchan wrote: post #4

Interested to see how this compares in performance and resource usage with Alacritty[1] [1]: https://github.com/jwilm/alacritty

Rust Evangelism Strike Force to the rescue.

I laughed real hard at this phrasing: > Alacritty is the fastest terminal emulator in existence.

Bold.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by todd8 »

sime2009 wrote: post #52
sakuronto wrote: post #41

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What about good ol' QT?

The problem is that your language choice is very limited. You can choose C++, no thanks, or Python which is very slow. There are no good options for languages or VMs on Qt in the Java/C#/VM/Jit range of the language performance spectrum.

I haven’t tried it, but isn’t JavaFX supposed to be the future of JVM based GUI’s? I’m actually very curious about others experiences with it.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by AstralStorm »

mateuszf wrote: post #95
_o_ wrote: post #76

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Come on, what is bad and old on c++? :)

I like to Keep it simple - and it's very painfull to do that in C++. Yes, you can write simple code, but it's lot easier to do it in other languages.

Untrue though Qt itself is not updated to take advantage of C++14 and newer features.

I'll take slightly more complex syntax over untraceable dynamic weak typing of JS.

How many times have you got random undefined?

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by AstralStorm »

majewsky wrote: post #37
agumonkey wrote: post #28

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hey, how else can I change the transparency of my shell with css ?

You can't. You can only change the transparency of the terminal. This comment (though probably by mistake) manages to perfectly illustrate the "reinventing things that we don't even understand" mindset that's going on in most of tech. (Also, there exist terminals written in C++ with Qt, and QtWidgets has had CSS support for custom styling for at least 10 years, probably much longer.)

The main example would probably be Konsole from KDE. Quite a hog in the world of terminals but doors is things well. Compared to running an electron instance, it is slim.

Re: Hyper 2, Electron based terminal

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Post by foldr »

sametmax wrote: post #105
sime2009 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they don't. JS running on a modern engine like V8 are easily 10x faster than CPython which PyQt uses. If you think Python and JS are about the same speed then it is because of Qt itself, but certainly not because of CPython.

I have coded with both, and practically, yes, they are. The only place where JS would beat Python would be a big loop with number crunching, which you would do with numpy anyway. Or pypy, which is 50 times faster than V8. A desktop app would not see any difference. A sysadmin script neihter. Data analystics is made using numpy/scipy/pandas. Web sites bottleneck are incredibly rarely the server side scripting language…

> pypy, which is 50 times faster than V8.

Ehhh V8 is pretty competitive with C for number crunching. Where are you getting that 50 times figure from?

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