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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Australians may wish to refer it to the ACCC if Facebook offers them a "take it or leave" choice. Even if the laws regarding unfair consumer contracts turn out not to apply, it would be interesting to get the ACCC's formal response on it.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/contracts-agreements/unfai...

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…

I don't know if Facebook's influence hasn't been reduced already, and how many users it actually has. I still have an account for instance, but I log in only once/mo. and keep it solely for the API keys. My friends seem to be a little less active then 10 years ago, as well.

Don't relate your experience to everyone else's. My friends are more active than ever on FB today for instance.

Also, FB revenue and users are increasing - which indicates they are not seeing any downturn like what you are talking about here.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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I'm a member of a facebook group for Irish game developers. Very good group, pretty much the only reason I use fb. Though I am logged on all day as I dont want to miss anything on it. I tabled the idea of the group leaving fb for somewhere else, as now would be the time people would be receptive to that idea. The consensus was, nah, dont bother, this is fine... welp.

This whole Facebook debacle has certainly helped me see some "bubbles" more clearly. I've encountered plenty of people who hadn't even heard of the recent Facebook privacy issues, let alone actually care. There are plenty of people who don't even follow the main news headlines, let alone pay attention when it gets political or technical.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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I'm a member of a facebook group for Irish game developers. Very good group, pretty much the only reason I use fb. Though I am logged on all day as I dont want to miss anything on it. I tabled the idea of the group leaving fb for somewhere else, as now would be the time people would be receptive to that idea. The consensus was, nah, dont bother, this is fine... welp.

Unrelated to your post for the most part, but just to clarify for readers; tabling an idea in American English is to postpone a decision (potentially indefinitely), while in British English this is the exact opposite and means that the idea is being presented for review at the current moment.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>there are provisions within the GDPR for it not to apply in those cases where you are not intentionally obtaining data from EU citizens. I read the entire document a few weeks back and recall no such provisions. Could you cite one for me? I'm trying to be as informed on this as possible. Article 3, "Territorial scope", lays out where GDPR applies, and it contains no derogations for "but I didn't know they were europ…

response to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16870636 This thread is now too deep for me to respond to your comment. "The reach of GDPR is broad but is not unlimited. The mere fact that a U.S.-based website can be accessed in the EEA isn’t enough. If the company does not have a physical presence in the EEA, it must be determined whether that company engages in more than incidental contact with EEA residents." Th…

> This thread is now too deep for me to respond to your comment.

It probably wasn't depth that blocked you. It was probably time. There is a short interval after a comment is posted during which the reply link is not available in the thread. (You can still reply without waiting, but you have to figure out how to get a reply button instead of a reply link. The reply button doesn't have the delay).

> This statement seems to have misinterpreted article 27

I believe that statement is summarizing recital 23, not attempting to interpret article 27.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Considering that Facebook makes its revenue from ads and that providing relevant ads needs data and tracking, this move is not so bad. Users that don’t accept the terms or use various tech to block this, would receive misappropriated ads. Bad ads make companies lose revenue while annoying the users with extremely irrelevant info. This method should be extremely effective in removing false positives. Personal observat…

Why can't we simply choose relevant ad categories that we would prefer to see? Why do the options need to be (i) see random advertisements that are likely irrelevant, or (ii) allow us to track your every move, including your location, each site you visit with the Facebook widget, your message and call history, and your every click. Or non-Facebook related, why can't my smart TV just let me choose PC Gaming, Technolog…

Well, for one, because one of the biggest ad vectors is retargeting. The ads aren't split in tiny overly broad categories.

If you pick "videogame", unless they ask you if you like RPGs, which videogame do they advertise to you?

(not saying it's WORTH it, but ad tech is pretty darn sophisticated these days)

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Google already does this anytime I clear my cookies. Why would they allow someone using the service if they didn't get something back?

Good question - though half of the internet has been built by pretending to offer your service for free. So either we keep doing that or we have to admit that our whole industry has been lying to their users.

The mental model for most people for so called free media is broadcast tv.

Yes there are ads. Yes I dislike those ads but they pay for the tv programming and broadcast.

No, broadcast tv does not keep a massive dossier on me or even know I exist.

Almost nobody expected nor understood that they are now "free from having privacy." It's not usual nor expected nor was it ever made clear. It was also done where there was no consent (shadow profiles for people without facebook accounts) and where consent was expressly withdrawn ("I now know what facebook does and would like you to close my account and delete all data and all backups of data relating to me"). Wildly evil stuff going on there, argue about what the law "says" all you like it's foul and should be illegal. It probably is illegal too if you haven't got billions to buy out of the problem. Que the apologists...

There are plenty of other media consumption businesses paid by advertising where you aren't being monitored in a manner the stasi could only dream of. Free printed newspapers supported by advertising have been around my entire life. This was the expectation.

Could facebook and google have grown if they had stated on their front page, every login that they were keeping records of everywhere you went on the internet? They wouldn't have got any traction whatsoever so they lied. Android will keep track of everywhere you go physically and add that to our file on you. Apple are better is just such BS you have to be a huge fanboy to swallow it.

Everyone concerned should be facing criminal charges for that kind of lying. Trying to claim they didn't know they were lying at the time and it was a bait and switch fraud instead.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other ways that facebook can track you, ublock does counter a lot of it but there is a constant stream of innovations and work arounds by tracking companies to keep a hold on you. I think the financial motivation for them to keep tracking you outweighs the effort ublock can put into stopping that. The firefox container is a legitimately novel approach to stopping the problem though I'm certain it will be at…

Strange to disparage uBlock Origin while praising Facebook Container, because the latter is weaker than the former. uBlock Origin with either "Fanboy's Third Party Social" or "Fanboy's Social Blocking List" selected will block all third-party connections to Facebook servers, period. Of course Facebook can still spy on you via other spy companies, but the "EasyPrivacy" list cuts that down a lot too. On the other hand,…

> Facebook Container still happily connect to Facebook servers from third-party websites

What? How do you open a non-Facebook website in the Facebook container? When you open external links on Facebook, from the Facebook container, they open in the normal container.

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