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Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

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Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

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That's what I did the first time. It keeps asking me for an email address to sign up OR sign up with Google or GitHub.

So I had something similar happen to me. I started out at the _ sign in _ page, I attempted to sign in with google, it remarked that I don't have an account and sent me to the _ sign up _ page that looked very similar to the sign in page, and from there, I was able to create an account via my google account.

It doesn't work for me with GitHub.

    1. https://chat.zulip.org/register/
    2. "Sign up with GitHub"
    3. "Authorize zulip"
    4. Got redirected to "Sign up for Zulip" (https://chat.zulip.org/complete/github/?redirect_state=...)
    5. Went to https://chat.zulip.org/ and
    6. got redirected to https://chat.zulip.org/login/
    7. "Login with GitHub"
    8. "Zulip account not found."

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#112
post #24

Interestingly they do have a hosted option - https://zulipchat.com/plans/ It's very expensive compared to slack though. I thought it would be priced closer to the cheaper alternatives (around $2).

Read more closely -- it's actually the same price for each of "billed annually" and "billed monthly".

not sure what you mean - it is 8$ per active user per month or 80$ billed annually. The same as slack pricing.

Microsoft teams is around 2$ per month (for the most basic Office 360 plan... else free).

Hipchat is 2$ per month

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#113
post #99

The install procedure [1] looks like bad a joke. > You’ll need an Ubuntu system that satisfies the installation requirements. So if I'm using RHEL, Fedora, Arch or any other Linux distribution, tough luck. If they're supporting only Ubuntu, they could have at least created some deb packages. There is an install script, but no details about what's going on under the hood or explanations of how to do it manually; what…

I see Docker / your container tech of choice as a solution to this. Your server can still run whatever distro, and a specific app can run a different one. This can be annoying from the sysadmin perspective, since there are now multiple operating systems to take care of, but at the same time, the developer may not be able to produce builds for all distros their users would like. Ubuntu is a fine choice IMHO, given the…

One day libfoo announces a must-fix RCE bug, which started in 1.74 and is fixed in 2.11.

Quick, which containers have libfoo in them? What version? Do you have a complete build process for them, or did you download the container from somebody else? Is it a clean libfoo, or did somebody clone it into their own tree and has later made modifications to it?

And that's really quite "annoying" from the sysadmin perspective, which makes it annoying from the devops perspective, which should make it annoying from your whole IT infrastructure perspective.

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#114

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So I had something similar happen to me. I started out at the _ sign in _ page, I attempted to sign in with google, it remarked that I don't have an account and sent me to the _ sign up _ page that looked very similar to the sign in page, and from there, I was able to create an account via my google account.

It doesn't work for me with GitHub. 1. https://chat.zulip.org/register/ 2. "Sign up with GitHub" 3. "Authorize zulip" 4. Got redirected to "Sign up for Zulip" (https://chat.zulip.org/complete/github/?redirect_state=...) 5. Went to https://chat.zulip.org/ and 6. got redirected to https://chat.zulip.org/login/ 7. "Login with GitHub" 8. "Zulip account not found."

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Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

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post #105

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Then you go to documentation for a more manual installation and adjust it to your tastes.

Problem is there doesn't seem to be much documentation at a quick glance. At least for Zulip.

There seems to be a lot more information within the section of docs focused on developers like https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/development/setup-adv....

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#116
post #75

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I think people normally take some time off work when they have a child. Does that seem strange to you?

I asked first.

Explaining my downvote here: this doesn't add anything valuable to the conversation. Either you have a defensible point or you don't; this sort of behavior suggests that you are more interested in having an argument than a discussion.

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#117
post #68
post #54

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Minor niggle - but I don't understand you and the github readme point to readthedocs rather than just 'show me the money' of https://chat.zulip.org/ Perhaps you want to give more context, but I did nothing on the readthedocs page other than look for the link.

We used to do that, but it turns out that having the Internet visit your chat community without any briefing isn't the best plan. Linking to the ReadTheDocs page has helped a lot in making sure people joining the community have some sense as to what to expect (e.g. that it's at times running a super beta version of Zulip, or that people are doing actual work, that we have a code of conduct, and you should send your t…

Ok, that does make sense.

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#118
post #101

It is not "Free", it is freemium. Zulip On Cloud is the exact same freemium model and pricing of Slack. Zulip On-Premise also is freemium (Enterprise plan do not show the price). https://zulipchat.com/plans/

>On-Premise

Ugh, NO! It's Premises. Get it right, Zulip! (and the countless people who screw this up every day.)

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#119
post #60

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We're definitely planning to provide a slick explanation on zulipchat.com. Using chat.zulip.org is helpful, especially if you visit a day later and read the message history; since you really only experience Zulip's magic properly when catching up on a bunch of unread messages (the `n` hotkey in particular is super great). That said, https://zulipchat.com/features has a screenshot; and https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/…

Given that it's free software, it might be worth making the install instructions a little bit more visible. At least then people can whip up a VM and try it on their own. The instructions[0] look straight forward, though I haven't tried it. Just a quick question... How difficult is it to build, install and run from source? I guess I'm slightly concerned about the "it expects to have the whole machine" in the requirem…

Building one's own release is easy. Before I get into how, you should be linking to https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/1.8.0/prod.html for installation instructions -- that's the much simplified install instructions for the latest release.

In the Zulip development environment, you can build your own release tarball with `tools/build-release-tarball`. Or you can just clone the Git repo and run `scripts/setup/install` directly (similarly, you can use `scripts/upgrade-zulip-from-git` to upgrade to any Git ref, which is great for running a pre-release version or a small fork).

The "expects to have the whole machine" story is just that we need to configure third-party services like nginx, postgres, redis, and memcached, and it's very hard to write configuration for all of those to support Zulip that doesn't carry some risk of breaking an arbitrary third-party app that might have been installed first.

Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading

#120

moderators? admin panel? banning users via subnet, hostname, cidr? These are the things I need in a chat replacement. I've discussed possibly funding these things for riot / matrix not sure I can afford it, but I know I can't afford not to have these kinds of options in a public chat system. looking at the features, I'd need a way to have the server download any images / attachments, check for viruses, strip any exif…

This is designed to be run inside an organisation with some degree more trust than what you have in your situation. You should submit some feature requests (https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues) for these things because they do come up in some business scenarios (e.g. a way to plug-in virus scanning.)
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