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The dark patterns, ugly UI and unreliability, all with zero privacy.
Messenger is such low quality garbage. People might receive a message, you might get a notification 2 months later. But you will always get a notification about some phantom message. The dark patterns, ugly UI and unreliability, all with zero privacy.
Messenger has been rock solid for me.
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Depends what you consider an advertisement - advertising on something like Read The Docs or sponsoring conferences is one thing and I feel that's acceptable, but buying keywords on Google is just spam. I would not trust any software product (especially a low-level one like a library, as opposed to an out-of-the-box SaaS) that advertises on Google keywords or similar.
so you love conferences they sponsor. would you ever pay some minimal amount to go to a conference? If so isn't an adword (in your gmail or in your search results) an appropriate place to see you, in the clearly labelled advertising section? Wouldn't you be quite likely to click it, and also be happy that it was served to you?
Yes.
My issues with Adwords are the following:
1) they're abused by spam and garbage, so seeing a (potentially good) software product in there immediately turns me off and is actually a red flag.
2) it shows that the developer has no idea of the target market for their product - anyone that has the brains to use a software library would be blocking the Adwords anyway.
3) the above could mean they're instead targeting managers/CTOs as opposed to the actual people who will be using the library (developers), which is also a huge red flag.
FTA: “For example, on Messenger, when you send a photo, our automated systems scan it using photo matching technology to detect known child exploitation imagery Ah yes, the "Think of the children" [1] argument. This is the favorite argument of censorship [2] lawmakers, dictators and everyone who wants to destroy personal liberties and privacy. They always invoke "think of the children" arguments because you look like…
As if pedophiles would send their stuff in the clear...
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You can audit the binary. It's not a magic black box.
The server part as well?
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They could. Correct me if I'm wrong but users don't see which public keys have been used to encrypt the message's symmetric key. Theoretically Apple could easily and invisibly include themselves as a recipient.
You're exactly right and I'm not sure why this is being downvoted. Apple can add additional keys to iMessage messages and thus view them in transit - they say this themselves in their own security white paper[0]. [0]: https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf
I just read the section on iMessage (from around page 49) and I can’t see where this is written. Can you point to the part where they say this?
When our daughter was born, and I sent an announcement via GMail, I started seeing ads for diapers. After that, I assume anything I'm doing on the internet is being data mined for advertising or some other source of revenue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits....
Given how Target shut that guy up, you have to figure they're doing even more along those lines nowadays.
Just another reason to avoid Facebook products : Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp ... I think E2E encrypted messaging is the only social solution that makes sense in today's ad tech pervasive tracking world.
WhatsApp is E2E encrypted
Same applies with photos.
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so you love conferences they sponsor. would you ever pay some minimal amount to go to a conference? If so isn't an adword (in your gmail or in your search results) an appropriate place to see you, in the clearly labelled advertising section? Wouldn't you be quite likely to click it, and also be happy that it was served to you?
> would you ever pay some minimal amount to go to a conference Yes. My issues with Adwords are the following: 1) they're abused by spam and garbage, so seeing a (potentially good) software product in there immediately turns me off and is actually a red flag. 2) it shows that the developer has no idea of the target market for their product - anyone that has the brains to use a software library would be blocking the Ad…
In fact we're arguing/discussing better targeting now! As a developer you don't want to see an open source product advertised.
On the other hand, if you're a manager who can't deliver a feature that your customer is begging for because there is no out of the box solution/library for it, and you don't have the personpower - but lo, you can license one for $100/month that's worth tens of thousands to your customer, you'll be thrilled if you can learn about the existence of it. (Just a hypothetical, use a different one if you want: again, we're talking about better targeting.)
You didn't answer my question about if you want to see ads for a conference (I took two long sentences to ask you super explicitly) - is it because that's a resounding yes? I get that you don't want to answer the question because it's counter to your philosophy that targeted ads are bad. That philosophy, as we're seeing, is wrong.