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OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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What's the best cdn right now? Cloudfront is just expensive as hell.

Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

Can you elaborate on Fastly exposing the origin servers to DDoS? Is there a link to learn more about that?

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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post #27

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AWS bandwidth costs are obscene. They compete on price so well on most other fronts, but for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth. It makes using them without a CDN cost prohibitive and drives a lot of use cases away from them.

>for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth People say this about AWS/GCP/Azure. They are so willing to compete on cost on everything else that it seems odd like this would be true, so I have a different theory: OVH/etc are all able to massively oversell bandwidth. Most customers do not use it. This is fine, and not anything I think they're doing wrong! But the "Big 3" are all about automatically sc…

It's a distinction without a difference though. If you use 1TB of data on Amazon or on OVH, and one service costs you $x and the other costs you 20% of $x you've got the same service for less money.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

I use OVH's So You Start line and I think my biggest complaint is that they don't allow automatic renewal. Every monthly renewal means manually keying in my card number every month. The only alternative is to pre-pay in 3, 6, or 12 months in advance. It is the only online service I use that doesn't handle auto-renewal.

Ask them to update your account to the newest version. I assure you they handle automatic renewals and they handle them very strictly - I'm getting emails blasted to both main and optional email account at the first time there is a card decline.

Here some screen shoots from minutes ago:

Exhibit 1: huge yellow sticker to tell me to switch to auto-pay, which I actually don't want to for some of my clients.

Exhibit 2: both bills for servers setup as autopay.

Actually the option to pay in advance is a blessing and as far as I know, only known to me provider that does that. Last December where I was for $35,000 in taxes, I was able to significantly lower that down for purchasing OVH services for 12 months in advance. OVH rocks!!

[1] https://ibb.co/enhmen

[2] https://ibb.co/nGGJs7

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#114

We run 1K node ClickHouse cluster on top of OVH. In BigQuery, we had a latency of 10-50s per query and it was costing us 400K per month. ClickHouse costs us 100K per month, all deployed on OVH. 100-200ms query latency.

Why $400k for BigQuery? It has flat-rate billing starting at 40k/month for unlimited queries. Also your other comment mentioned 50TB across 1000 Clickhouse nodes, why so little data per node?

> It has flat-rate billing starting at 40k/month for unlimited queries.

plus storage costs?

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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post #107

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>for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth People say this about AWS/GCP/Azure. They are so willing to compete on cost on everything else that it seems odd like this would be true, so I have a different theory: OVH/etc are all able to massively oversell bandwidth. Most customers do not use it. This is fine, and not anything I think they're doing wrong! But the "Big 3" are all about automatically sc…

But that's how the internet works in general. An ISP doesn't have a 500,000 * 100 MBit/s connection in a city to enable simultaneous downloads from all customers at once.

I'm not claiming otherwise - just that my theory (and I have no actual evidence beyond the anecdotal) is that the big cloud providers aren't "overcharging" for bandwidth, just that they cannot offer discounts from oversubscription that others may be able to.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

> -I was "just" using OVH object storage [...]

> -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap"

Have you looked at wasabi.com? They are much cheaper than just about anyone for object store. OVH is 0.0112/GB/mo and Wasabi is 0.0049/GB/mo.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

My problem is their support. Packet loss to a server? 'Sorry this is not our issue'. I have one server left there, and if it goes above ~50mbit it drops ~25% of network traffic to multiple sources.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#118
post #15

I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).

Thank you for your service, sir!

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#119

Indeed, OVH UI is slow and bulky. I moved to Hetzner for a lot of things. Even cheaper, had one server issue, but quickly fixed by their support ( a bios to upgrade ), their UX is simple but efficient. Any other opinion on them?

+1 for hetzner. For Lineage, we run our mirror and (as of next weekend) our code review platform there.

I had a server go offline last night. A fuse broke. It took support all of 30s to fix it. OVH this would have been at least Monday before someone looked.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

>-they use OpenStack (Yay!). Unforuntely, they have a confusing implementation of OpenStack dashboard, AND on a separate site, with separate credentials.

can you point me at a not-so-confusing implementation of OpenStack?

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