This, to me, sounds like the zombie apocalypse we were promised.
Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
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Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#112So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
I believe the somethingawful forums involve a cost to participate, something like a one time $10 fee that was designed to remove low content or negative content participators. Might be an interesting case study of your hypothesis.
See other comments about metafilter.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#113So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
I think nextdoor does this model and it’s still notorious for trolling/internet fights.
That must depend on the neighborhood - I don't see any of that.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a media business, they can be a lot more profitable with fewer high-quality users than hordes of low-quality toxic users. A fashion magazine only has 1 million subscribers, but can make $400 million/year in revenue, basically printing money.
> As a media business, they can be a lot more profitable with fewer high-quality users than hordes of low-quality toxic users. I see no evidence of that. > A fashion magazine only has 1 million subscribers, but can make $400 million/year in revenue, basically printing money. A fashion magazine doesn't outsource its content production to its subscribers.
> I see no evidence of that.
I would encourage you to look at the evidence.
> A fashion magazine doesn't outsource its content production to its subscribers.
And?
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#115So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
I'd say hierarchical credibility. More authority. Give the leaders power to bless others with disproportionate power, who in turn have the ability to bless others with disproportionate power.
Remember that Reddit ultimately only imparts one vote per person regardless of whether you're an admin or moderator or whatever. End that system. We've already established that these systems are not libertarian - the leadership has an opinion (in /r/Science the opinion is that you must post good science) and we want to empower them to enforce it.
Not only that, but provide negative feedback. If you endorse a terrible person, make it impact your credibility.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#116So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
Not quite correct. We've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) All within the context of rampant financialisation, land policies returning us to feudalism and continuous lying about the banking bailout including removing the one candidate who was going to take on the banks (Bernie). Maybe it's not "the internet" that's the problem…
How can I read up on these land policies?
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#117So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
We haven't really tried "real identities". We've come close.
Real identities would require verification, which sites like FB only do after the fact.
I fear that a huge repercussion of the election issues is that we will get there. A real ID may be required for you to post comments in all websites. And i'm not sure how I feel about that. Reality is that it would drastically reduce comment trolling, if your real identify was viewable and searchable by all you know. But at what cost?
I really do wonder what is the root of trolling. What makes a "normal" person take an alter-ego/view/counter view, solely based on lack of face to face interaction...
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#118So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
Real identities doesn't work when FB threads aren't indexed by Google.
If googling myself found comments I'd make on "platform X," you can be sure I'd carefully consider my comments on that platform.
Having anonymous commenting is important, but if you want a less toxic platform for mainstream comments, real identities + indexing is a good start.
The real WTF moment for online discussion is yet to come. When ML chatbots are able to comment indistinguishably from human comments, purely as a measure of capacity of time/scale, comment threads are eventually going to just become chatbots arguing with chatbots, drowning out actual discussion by humans.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#119Toxic statements = statements from a different political orientation
Why are people so willing to embrace Orwellian doublethink? My prediction is that such a sword will do decapitate undeserving people of all political aisles.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#120So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
The real solution is making blatant lies and misinformation illegal.
And who determines what's true and what's not?