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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I think Google has too.much money. They can try a lot of stuff but there isn't much pressure to succeed.

Or moreover it shows that money isn't necessarily the limiting factor in success that many perceive it to be.

That's what I am thinking when people talk about tax cuts. Apple or Google don't need more money. They already have more than they can invest productively.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Recall the CEO's departure and scale-back announcement[0]. There was going to be a shift of direction towards other kinds of last-mile (or even, last 100 yards) technology. Its a shame we haven't heard any more since then.

[0]: https://fiber.googleblog.com/2016/10/advancing-our-amazing-b...

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I'm still on the cheapest plan I could find, which is 60 Mbps for $40/month. Even if fiber were $70/month, I'm not sure I would buy it, as 60 Mbps seems to be doing the job fine. What kind of things would 1 Gbps allow me to do that I currently cannot, that would justify an extra $30/month?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Not really surprising, my own country is still profiting from the massive investment in cable done by the state owned telecom operators in the 80s. Infrastructure like this is something that can only be done with government support.

I would say "only", but it is damned harder if one do not already have some fixed installation one can exploit. In Norway the fastest growing deployments of fiber is done by regional power companies in cooperation with a services provider (data, VOIP, IPTV etc). This because the power companies already have poles and pipes that they can run the fiber along.

In the US too, the gold standard of internet providers is Chattanooga's municipal electric company for similar reasons.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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That only works where the government is willing though, see Australia for a case study of the opposite. And keep in mind that in France currently "fiber" means "at least FFTN", much of rural france won't see FTTH for a long time.

Exactly. Fiber to the home is the only fiber than really matters. If there is fiber but my last mile is old copper, then that doesn’t do me a lot of good does it? France claiming 100% fiber by 2022? They are dreaming, or perhaps even delusional. No way they can get FTTH by 2022. There are some places that don’t have any connectivity and you have to use Satelite. They’re going to fix that in 4 years?

> Exactly. Fiber to the home is the only fiber than really matters. If there is fiber but my last mile is old copper, then that doesn’t do me a lot of good does it?

I wouldn't go quite that far e.g. let's say you're my parents in a village of 300 (and as many cows) with the DSLAM >5km away, the best DSL you can get is 1024k on a good day (and on average closer to 512k with pings in the half-second range), my understanding is that for them the FTTN node would be roughly at the center of each village.

All of a sudden, unless the village is huge there's <2km between any home and the node and you can expect 15~20Mbps over the entire village.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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It would help if the USA was as small as France.

France has approximately the same population as the Northeast megalopolis (the Boston–Washington Corridor) but the French population is spread out over three times the area.

And Metropolitan France has a density 116/km2, it's just a bit above Pennsylvania (110) or Ohio (109) and significantly below Florida (145).

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Fwiw, $140 is quite a lot. We shared what everyone was paying for Fios here at work. I'm on the upper end of $65 for 50/50 (no TV). The lowest we found was 1G for $40. the trick seems to be to cancel and sign up again for the new user deals.

Spectrum just jacked up the cost of a similar package to $175 in my region.

spectrum, specifically the 2.4ghz band, where google was looking for wireless alternatives is unlicensed no ?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I wonder, was Google Fibre ever intended to succeed in the traditional sense? Instead, perhaps it was an attempt by Google to change the industry by 1) scaring the incumbents into improving, and 2) expanding consumers' Overton windows[1] regarding what they could/should expect. Google presumably wants to ensure its services can be delivered to consumers, so this would seem towards that end. As another commenter notes…

I worked for Fiber for two years. It was both (wanting to succeed as a business and wanting to shift the industry), with a primary focus on succeeding as a business, or at least that was what the internal messaging was. I won't comment on any possible changes in the last couple years or why they may have happened, except to say that to the best of my knowledge, at no point was the sentiment, "We've shifted the indust…

Google Fiber hit a lot of roadblocks along the way that slowed things down. You have the lawsuit from AT&T against local government in Louisville[0]. There was also a lot of arguments[1][2] around the country for Google trying to access utility poles to hang their wires.

Incumbents tried their hardest to prevent Google from hanging new wires. Many of the laws in-place today make it difficult for new companies to hang wires, which I believe was a reaction from the telegraph days[3].

[0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/att-admits-defea...

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/why-att-says-it-...

[2] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/cable...

[3] https://io9.gizmodo.com/photos-from-the-days-when-thousands-...

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