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Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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You're making the mistake of equating the law with morality. Greatly simplified, the a law is just an attempt to roughly codify some moral principles and give them some teeth. We still expect people to act morally, even in the absence of laws to force them to do so.

> You're making the mistake of equating the law with morality. Greatly simplified, the a law is just an attempt to roughly codify some moral principles and give them some teeth. I didn't mean to equate them and I don't think I did. I was implicitly making the same connection that you just made explicitly. > We still expect people to act morally, even in the absence of laws force them to do so. Who really expects inve…

> Who really expects investors to act morally rather than doing whatever's legal? Heck, who expects Facebook to prioritize morals over profits? Don't people who have these expectations deeply misunderstand how today's economic system works?

I expect (as in bound in duty or obligated) them to. However, I expect (as in predict) they will not.

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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I'm rather bothered that I know nothing about Soros except a bunch of vague, negative feelings about him that have pop-culturally osmosed to me through constant usage of his name in 4channish/the_donaldish media. He's some kind of evil mastermind destroying civilisation with his vast wealth. I know this is almost certainly not true, but I'm so bothered that this is my immediate thought. I feel like the alt-right has…

Well, my problem with Soros is my wife attended the Women's March a whole freaking year ago and she still hasn't gotten her check!

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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post #112
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I'm rather bothered that I know nothing about Soros except a bunch of vague, negative feelings about him that have pop-culturally osmosed to me through constant usage of his name in 4channish/the_donaldish media. He's some kind of evil mastermind destroying civilisation with his vast wealth. I know this is almost certainly not true, but I'm so bothered that this is my immediate thought. I feel like the alt-right has…

Well, my problem with Soros is my wife attended the Women's March a whole freaking year ago and she still hasn't gotten her check!

Just stop into your local pizza place and ask about uranium.

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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Sorry, I'm simply not convinced that monetizing and marketing people's attention is all that much of a social ill. There is nothing about Facebook that's in any way worse than the old ways companies used to do this. Does nobody remember the 80s? TV was turning people into fricken' zombies. People would sit on the boob tube for days at a time, stopping only to go to work to mindlessly knock out chores for a shift, the…

>Sorry, I'm simply not convinced that monetizing and marketing people's attention is all that much of a social ill. What about monetizing and marketing people's affection? The dowry would be the classic example, I'd be curious why you (presumably) are against dowries. To me it's basically the same, certain things are corrupted by their commodification, affection, attention, others. Besides when you say: >The world su…

We are still talking about a website, right? A totally optional website, in a browser with a close button? This isn’t a chemical addiction or gambling.

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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post #87

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> When you press people (like in person, not on the internet) why they think he's the devil incarnate, you usually get some really wild ad hominem not rooted in reality or a realization that they don't really know why they hate him so much other than he's a benefactor of their political opposition and they were told to. Sure, but we could probably say the same of the Koch brothers. They both occupy similar positions…

I've never seen people claim the Koch's literally aided and abetted the Nazis (this is something that's actually claimed about Soros in spite of fleeing Europe with his parents as an adolescent). There's a hatred and fear of Soros that surpasses his political activities. He's pretty active with bonafide "do gooder" stuff and it's equated with Pizzagate-style conspiracies and worse that you don't see on the opposite s…

It's anti-Semitism. The one thing you can say for the ignorant throughout history is that they are both consistent and enthusiastic about their awful beliefs.

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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I honestly find myself scratching my head every time George Soros speaks. He almost comes across as someone desperate to be taken seriously, to be viewed as a visionary, a thought leader, a prognosticator. But what has he down to justify this? Nothing as far as I can tell. He made a bunch of money as a currency speculator, most famously breaking the British pound. Sure. Good for him. But if we're going to talk about…

Maybe he's trying to atone for his Nazi collaboration past.

As Snopes documents [1] this is a vicious politically motivated lie. You should also read Wikipedia's description of his youth in occupied Hungary [2] and ask yourself what completely unprincipled extremist parties are you uncritically believing? Of course your choice of username suggests the possibility that principle is not one of your high priorities.

1 https://www.snopes.com/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/ 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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>Sorry, I'm simply not convinced that monetizing and marketing people's attention is all that much of a social ill. What about monetizing and marketing people's affection? The dowry would be the classic example, I'd be curious why you (presumably) are against dowries. To me it's basically the same, certain things are corrupted by their commodification, affection, attention, others. Besides when you say: >The world su…

We are still talking about a website , right? A totally optional website, in a browser with a close button? This isn’t a chemical addiction or gambling.

What makes it different from gambling?

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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We are still talking about a website , right? A totally optional website, in a browser with a close button? This isn’t a chemical addiction or gambling.

What makes it different from gambling?

Facebook addiction is not recognized by the pros as a mental disorder and gambling addiction is?

Re: Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen

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I'm sure the medical companies that sold HIV infected blood products to countries that didn't check for the HIV virus were also "intelligent investors" in your mind. Or the Chiquita fruit company It might not be illegal but ethics come back to you

There is nothing unethical in taking money away from a first world government in fair market deals, within the rules set out by those same governments. They employ tens of thousands of well paid experts who's job is exactly to maximize national interest and who would not blink an eye to crush investors like Soros, would the places be reversed. Comparing that to poor individuals who were abused by large corporations i…

If anything about those deals was unethical it was what the Bank of England was doing. They did a disservice to every citizen of the country. That blowup was going to happen regardless of whether or no Soros was on the other side.
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