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Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by eanzenberg »

chrisper wrote: post #43
eanzenberg wrote: post #23

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Their software also sucks compared to the “just-works” ios and its integration.

You mean it sucks because one can customize it? I remember when I got the iPhone 3gs back then and was surprised you couldn't set a background picture. Oh and these days iOS is still very locked down. So it just works because you are not allowed to do much. (Like having an app like Tasker for example, or choosing if your USB port on your phone should be used for storage, charging only, or even charging other devices)…

Why would I want to customize it? It's the same reason I stopped using linux between 2010 and 2017 (I just built an Ubuntu box for DL, dual booted with windows ofc). The more "stuff" is abstracted away so I can get done what I need to is ideal for me.

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by colordrops »

lukealization wrote: post #85
colordrops wrote: post #64

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Android has three buttons rather than one, reducing menu fatigue. System settings are more customizable and generally easier to and more intuitive to use. Launcher screen be replaced by 3rd party app. Keyboard can be replaced by 3rd party app. Browsers can run any engine they want. Apps can host code. Terminal is a first class citizen. Phones can have the bootloader unlocked legally. Supports launch screen widgets. B…

> Apps can host code. You say that like it's a good thing.

It is if you are a programmer. Must everything be locked down and controlled by a corporation for our safety? Are you aware of any issues this has caused on Android?

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by chrisper »

eanzenberg wrote: post #111
chrisper wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean it sucks because one can customize it? I remember when I got the iPhone 3gs back then and was surprised you couldn't set a background picture. Oh and these days iOS is still very locked down. So it just works because you are not allowed to do much. (Like having an app like Tasker for example, or choosing if your USB port on your phone should be used for storage, charging only, or even charging other devices)…

Why would I want to customize it? It's the same reason I stopped using linux between 2010 and 2017 (I just built an Ubuntu box for DL, dual booted with windows ofc). The more "stuff" is abstracted away so I can get done what I need to is ideal for me.

So you would not want to be able to easily just plug in your phone into the PC and transfer files normally without having to install iTunes etc. (and even that can't do it)?

You would not want to automate certain things? (Like if you are on work wifi, automatically mute phone for example)

You wouldn't want to be able to get OBD II data from your car through your phone?

Wouldn't you want to be able to use Firefox with a firefox engine and not safari webkit?

and and and

All these are possible with stock android. Not even talking about hacky customizations.

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by wilsonnb »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #68
ac29 wrote: post #30

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Some people value headphone jacks, micro-SD expansion, dual-SIM support or other features that dont exist in the latest Pixels. These are all features that modern iPhones don't have either, so its a little hypocritical to call out Google if that is whats meant by the "sucks" part.

I have no idea what I'm going to do once my OG Pixel stops being supported. The lack of headphone jack is a serious concern to me. It truly blows my mind that so many people are capable of accepting this! I can accept the lack of removable storage and battery. But the headphone jack? That's just the end of the line for me.

You've probably heard this from other people, but I recently switched from a Pixel to a Pixel 2 and was worried about losing the headphone jack as well.

Surprisingly, it hasn't bothered me at all. The battery life is long enough (and fast chase is fast enough) that I never need to charge my phone and listen to it at the same time, and I haven't noticed any difference in sound quality using Google's provided dongle.

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by sumedh »

zamalek wrote: post #109
sumedh wrote: post #102

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You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points. There is no need for a history lesson, you can shout about Xerox all you want but in the end It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.

> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made…

Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others.

Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest.

Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone.

MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point.

Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by sumedh »

wor3q wrote: post #107
sumedh wrote: post #79

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Atleast give some constructive complaints, hating the UI sounds like a personal rant and not a good one as well when the whole world copies Apple's UI.

It's objectively awkward. Just few examples from my use of a mac: You open xCode, nothing appears, it just changed top menu. You click on any other app in the meantime, and you need to go back to dock to do same action that opened it in first place. You try to maximize window? For some reason it will move to other desktop. You try to drag a window to the side, like in every other OS, to have it on half on screen? Noo…

Some of them are valid complaints.

> I have to deal with this 'perfect UX'

No one is forcing you to do that, just walk away but we know you are not going to do that.

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by zamalek »

sumedh wrote: post #115
zamalek wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made…

Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?

> Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone.

Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI.

[1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by sumedh »

zamalek wrote: post #117
sumedh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?

> Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...

Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by zamalek »

sumedh wrote: post #118
zamalek wrote: post #117

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> Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...

Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?

No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).

Re: Google closes its $1.1B deal with HTC Corp

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Post by sumedh »

zamalek wrote: post #119
sumedh wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?

No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).

So others copied Apple's first Iphone UI.

Now do you get it or are you still going to argue about this?

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