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Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

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Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

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Post by brucephillips »

whitemale wrote: post #110
brucephillips wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claiming that society is sexist in that way is not a conspiracy theory? No. It's just a false claim. False claims aren't conspiracy theories. > I would priorities truth over political correctness. It's prioritize*, and prioritization only matters when there's a tradeoff. I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake.

> False claims aren't conspiracy theories. Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? > I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake. You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument, sounds like a tradeoff to me. And no, it's not a mistake, don't know where you got that idea from.

> Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true?

(A -/-> B) does not mean that (B -> !A)

When arguments devolve into basic logical errors, there's little hope in finding a resolution, which you're obviously not after anyway.

> You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument.

You're so intent on picking a fight that you don't realize I agreed with your actual argument above.

Happy trolling.

Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

#112

Post by dang »

whitemale wrote: post #102
katrinamo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same goes for the wage gap. We know there is no gap. I'm curious how you've come to this conclusion considering the preponderance of studies that say otherwise. This article by the Washington Post examines a few claims regarding the wage gap if you are interested: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/women-...

If this conspiracy theory would be true, companies would only hire women, because they are 20% cheaper. Why is this not happening?

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, as stated in the site guidelines and illustrated by the tire fire below. Please don't create HN accounts to break the site rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

#113

Post by dang »

brucephillips wrote: post #111
whitemale wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> False claims aren't conspiracy theories. Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? > I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake. You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument, sounds like a tradeoff to me. And no, it's not a mistake, don't know where you got that idea from.

> Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? (A -/-> B) does not mean that (B -> !A) When arguments devolve into basic logical errors, there's little hope in finding a resolution, which you're obviously not after anyway. > You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument. You're so intent on picking a fight that you don't realize I agreed with your actual…

Please don't feed trolls on HN. That just makes this place worse, and the site guidelines ask you not to: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Instead, flag egregious comments, as explained there and at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

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Post by whitemale »

dang wrote: post #112
whitemale wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this conspiracy theory would be true, companies would only hire women, because they are 20% cheaper. Why is this not happening?

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, as stated in the site guidelines and illustrated by the tire fire below. Please don't create HN accounts to break the site rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle.

You seem to only take issue with one side of the "ideological battle", it's almost like you just banned the account because someone said something you didn't like.

If you would really believe what you say, you would not let "gender pay gap" and "women in tech" topics be posted at all.

Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

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Post by dang_ »

katrinamo wrote: post #78
cup-of-tea wrote: post #67

At an academic institute I used to work at they hired a woman whose job was to improve equality for women. One of the specific tasks was finding out why there were fewer women in the institute. She gave a long presentation showing all kinds of statistics and bizarre graphics comparing job adverts to Playstation controllers (which only appeal to men, apparently). The talk concluded with a figure comparing number of wo…

> Same goes for the wage gap. We know there is no gap. I'm curious how you've come to this conclusion considering the preponderance of studies that say otherwise. This article by the Washington Post examines a few claims regarding the wage gap if you are interested: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/women-...

If this conspiracy theory would be true, companies would only hire women, because they are 20% cheaper. Why is this not happening?

Re: Experiments reveal faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track (2014)

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Post by dang »

whitemale wrote: post #114
dang wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, as stated in the site guidelines and illustrated by the tire fire below. Please don't create HN accounts to break the site rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. You seem to only take issue with one side of the "ideological battle", it's almost like you just banned the account because someone said something you didn't like. If you would really believe what you say, you would not let "gender pay gap" and "women in tech" topics be posted at all.

The key word in your comment is 'seem'. It seems that way not because it's true—we've banned many accounts for abusing HN from the opposite ideological side—but because there's a cognitive bias in such perceptions. People with the opposite ideology have the opposite perception.

I've written about this a ton if anyone is interested: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...

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