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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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And how could Apple accomplish that?

By threatening to pull manufacturing.

China adds so little value there I don’t think it would cause a blip. Then Apple would have decide somewhere else to do that with the right supply chain in place.

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It's not a simple manner of translation, it has to be culturally localized. Burger King can't just sell beef burgers in India by translating their menu language. It's a lot easier for a Western business to translate their UI to German or French, than it is to Chinese or Japanese. Input methods alone are an issue that calls for interaction UX to be designed differently.

There are no big cultural differences between European countries that I'm aware of.

I'm talking about the fact that the cultural difference between the US and Europe is smaller, so US services can be easily consumed by Europeans with just language localization.

The same is not true for China. It is easy for US firms to serve Europeans by localizing language, ergo European firms face global competition from US firms with a lower barrier.

It is more difficult for US firms to serve the Chinese market, even if you have perfect language localization. The cultural differences are larger than USEurope. Even before the Chinese government got protectionist, US firms had trouble competing in China.

We've seen lots of tech companies launched from the UK, Germany, and Scandinavia, but less so from other regions. Perhaps it would be better to ask what is it about say, Italy, or France's internal markets that makes tech harder to find investment for locally.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…

I'm not sure Apple had any choice here. They can still be good for privacy in your country but they still have to play by the rules of the country they are operating in.

They have the choice to exit the Chinese market rather than comply with these insidious demands. The point OP is making I think is that if Apple valued privacy, then exiting the market rather than comply is the decision they would have made.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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> iCloud accounts registered outside of China are not affected. What exactly does this mean? What makes an online account registered in a geographic location? Is it determined by where the iphone is bought, the IP addresses when the registration is made, the email account used for the registration or something else?

It goes by billing address of payment method.

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As of early 2018, national boundaries combined with linguistic barriers are still more powerful than the internet. Could this change with low Earth orbit satellite internet? (Given the precedents to date, I'd expect the Chinese government to jam the signals or otherwise intervene.)

Not as long as payments go through the current financial system. If you’re using a US credit card, with a US billing address, to transact with a company, then you are “US registered” regardless of where your packets are routed. Until it’s possible/mainstream to decouple identity from payment, your payment method will always be the weakest link.

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I absolutely believe Apple's foray into China is a huge misstep for the Apple brand. Imagine when all the censorship and surveillance and the actions taking with personal data start surfacing, they're going to very quickly try to get out. Apple pulling VPN apps off the App Store is just the beginning. It may be a big market, but I think Apple shouldn't be there under the Apple name, because stuff like this shows me t…

Why do people in USA care about what the Chinese government does? It's not like you are willing to take care of it's citizens, but the Chinese government has a responsibility and they seem to be trading off fairness so fewer people are impoverished.

Today you, tomorrow me.

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It's exponentially more difficult for the Chinese government to wield data against me than it is for the British government, as I do not live somewhere where the Chinese government has any power over me. It depends mostly on the nature of the data, and how much interest they have in you. If the data is damning enough, and they would find value in using it against you, then the Chinese government is perfectly able to…

Right, but if you're not in China at all, the Chinese government don't care about you. So it's (in some respects) safer to have your data managed in a foreign country than in the country you live in, as a counterpoint to the claim that "it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in".

> So it's (in some respects) safer to have your data managed in a foreign country than in the country you live in, as a counterpoint to the claim that "it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in".

To clarify, I'm saying it makes sense from a legal and societal perspective, not from a personal privacy perspective.

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There are no big cultural differences between European countries that I'm aware of.

I'm talking about the fact that the cultural difference between the US and Europe is smaller, so US services can be easily consumed by Europeans with just language localization. The same is not true for China. It is easy for US firms to serve Europeans by localizing language, ergo European firms face global competition from US firms with a lower barrier. It is more difficult for US firms to serve the Chinese market,…

> Even before the Chinese government got protectionist, US firms had trouble competing in China.

lol.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about the fact that the cultural difference between the US and Europe is smaller, so US services can be easily consumed by Europeans with just language localization. The same is not true for China. It is easy for US firms to serve Europeans by localizing language, ergo European firms face global competition from US firms with a lower barrier. It is more difficult for US firms to serve the Chinese market,…

> Even before the Chinese government got protectionist, US firms had trouble competing in China. lol.

Might be better to actually post a rebuttal.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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As of early 2018, national boundaries combined with linguistic barriers are still more powerful than the internet. Could this change with low Earth orbit satellite internet? (Given the precedents to date, I'd expect the Chinese government to jam the signals or otherwise intervene.)

Not as long as payments go through the current financial system. If you’re using a US credit card, with a US billing address, to transact with a company, then you are “US registered” regardless of where your packets are routed. Until it’s possible/mainstream to decouple identity from payment, your payment method will always be the weakest link.

Are you presuming that most of the internet will be paywalled by then?
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