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Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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Also commodities if I remember correctly, which are regulated as well. Also there's a big theoretical and serious discussion in financial economics on why insider trading is even net bad. In some ways aren't stock analysts "insiders" with respect to your average SV engineer investing, and isn't an SV engineer who is able to fully understand a balance sheet an "insider" with respect to gambling grandma in Iowa?

My understanding is that "knowledgeable outsiders", in executing trades, effectively make accessible whatever esoteric-but-technically-public information they had to the market, and so help prices adjust toward their correct value. Knowledgeable insiders, on the other hand, can execute "hidden" trades that aren't revealed to the public market—and so don't provide information to the market. This distorts the market, m…

Well suppose the CEO of ACME Pharma knows a major drug trial just failed. If she sold massively and pushed the price down, wouldn't that cause the lower price to be reflective of the actual real valuation of ACME (which is lower because they don't have a major drug now).

Of course, I wouldn't want to be the guy on the other side of that trade. But then again a casual grandma probably doesn't want to be on the other side of the trade of a multimillion dollar research team either.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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post #108
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I wonder how much money Coinbase employees, friends and family made by insider trading on this announcement. Gotta love unregulated markets!

Per their twitter, "Coinbase employees have been prohibited from trading in Bitcoin Cash for several weeks." https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/943290391419174912

That totally stopped everyone I am sure.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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FTFA: Coinbase maintains a strict trading policy and internal guidelines for employees. Coinbase employees have been prohibited from trading in Bitcoin Cash for several weeks. Now, how would Coinbase know if an employee traded BCH on another exchange?

They wouldn't know of course, but that's not the point. The point is to cover their own ass if they get in legal trouble, by saying "well, we told them it was prohibited, and made them sign stuff". It's the same reason companies make all their employees go through sexual harassment training. Not because they actually believe such training reduces sexual harassment, but rather because they want to eliminate liability.

Rubbish.

Someone who works at Morgan/Goldman/JPM/etc cannot trade on an account at a different brokerage on the announcement. If they do, they will get nailed and most likely go to jail

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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Exactly the first thought that came to my mind. BCH up 30%. I wonder how many Coinbase employees bought BCH throughout this past month. Also. it's easily predictable that introducing a new currency will temporarily affect the other currencies negatively. Very gray area.

Thought experiment: Just say Citibank adds the Mexican pesos to their products, USA & international, side by side to all their USD products. If citibank bought pesos before the announcement, would they be engaging in insider trading? (Pesos are just for illustrative purposes, replace with your local currency) If so, would every bank need to halt trading in a currency before adding it?

If citi's employees especially those with licenses do that they will lose their licenses and most likely go to jail. Which is why one does not front run based on insider information when one works for that company.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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I see your point. This is something I can imagine lawyers arguing over and there is no right/wrong answer really. The cap table is interesting though. One could say it starts off at $0 but that isn't really true as there is a 'good will' value due to the public knowledge of the fork and that the coin will be worth something.

But if there was a “good will” value then you would had to have paid taxes on the value at the time of aquiring the asset (when the fork happened). You can’t just be gifted something of substantial value and not pay taxes on it.

Yes that would make sense.

It would be income tax then, right?

If the coin crashes to 0 a week later, then you'd still pay it too, in theory.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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Does anyone else find it highly suspicious that Coinbase goes down whenever there is any major movement in prices? You can explain this as just the natural result of too much traffic, but that's not convincing. This is a business valued at over 1 billion dollars that has been operating for years. If this is still a problem, it's either unbelievable incompetence, or because they see no reason to fix it. And here is a…

It is called "separation of fools and their money". This was popular before SEC showed up. It seems crypto-clowns refuse to learn from others and insist on re-learning the lessons

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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Exactly how do you "prohibit" trading a crypto currency?

How does any company prohibit anything?

The way it's usually done in the US is employees have a special brokerage account which is closely monitored (and probably won't let you trade during blackouts). Even if you had your own account on the side, the brokers would have caught it - this stuff is monitored very closely.

When it comes to crypto - all you need is an offshore exchange, of which there are plenty.

In all honesty, I don't know what is going on at Coinbase. It looks like a circus and I suspect its days are numbered. It is really depressing actually, not at all what the crypto community needs right now.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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post #35

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Also commodities if I remember correctly, which are regulated as well. Also there's a big theoretical and serious discussion in financial economics on why insider trading is even net bad. In some ways aren't stock analysts "insiders" with respect to your average SV engineer investing, and isn't an SV engineer who is able to fully understand a balance sheet an "insider" with respect to gambling grandma in Iowa?

My understanding is that "knowledgeable outsiders", in executing trades, effectively make accessible whatever esoteric-but-technically-public information they had to the market, and so help prices adjust toward their correct value. Knowledgeable insiders, on the other hand, can execute "hidden" trades that aren't revealed to the public market—and so don't provide information to the market. This distorts the market, m…

Trades made with/without insider knowledge reveal the same amount of information to the market since the market doesn't know what made you decide to trade. It's illegal for a few reasons - it encourages quid-pro-quo relationships between investors and businesses, makes the good investment opportunities only available to those with privileged relationships (and magnifies 'the rich get richer' problem), and poses serious conflict of interest problems to everybody involved.

Re: Buy, sell, send and receive Bitcoin Cash on Coinbase

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought experiment: Just say Citibank adds the Mexican pesos to their products, USA & international, side by side to all their USD products. If citibank bought pesos before the announcement, would they be engaging in insider trading? (Pesos are just for illustrative purposes, replace with your local currency) If so, would every bank need to halt trading in a currency before adding it?

Pesos are already widely available to retail investors so it isn't really comparable to the situation with BCH. The average US crypto investor is only buying what is available on Coinbase (note that its one of the top apps in the iOS app store...), not jumping through the hoops needed to use Bitfinex, etc. Here's a more appropriate analogy. A penny stock with the symbol BCH is lightly traded over the counter by insti…

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