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Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by jstarfish »

swombat wrote: post #57
jstarfish wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It becomes a legal proceeding. Like any legal proceeding, your trauma now has to be relived over the course of a criminal trial, with you having to go up on a stand and recount the entire experience and be called a liar in a public forum by opposing counsel and have all your neighbors (and the world) know more about you than you'd like and fashion all manner of horrible opinions of you. Nobody wants to go through tha…

I think the OP was being sarcastic.

Heh, in reconsidering the context I have to agree. The question comes up in every discussion of the topic so I overlooked it.

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Post by eecc »

athenot wrote: post #6

> but because it's sexual assault, for whatever reason, it's very easy for some folks to sweep this under the rug Wow. Just wow. I get that resources are limited and they must prioritize. But to view sexual assault as a low-priority item is just sick.

Considering how much the USA spends in weapons - both for its own campaigns around the world and donations to “friends” - it’s somewhat ridiculous that the countries’ state cannot scrape enough pocket change to contain delinquency and protect its own citizens at home

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by [deleted] »

vintageseltzer wrote: post #105
orf wrote: post #39

> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

In America, justice is only available to those who can afford it. If you can't afford months or years of lawyer's fees and don't have the ability to take time away from your job, family and other daily obligations, you're simply out of luck.

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Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by AdjustYourWrld »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #103
roninb wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this being downvoted?

Unnecessary condescending tone regardless of information delivery attempted if I had to hazard a guess. > The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit @AdjustYourWrld: Educate us! Citations please! We are all here to learn and indulge our curiosity.

Lol, no one is here to educate themselves on a topic like this, following this thread there's one or two lines of reasoning taken by the posters.

1) it's a travesty where people of color are unreservedly denied justice, for no reason other than racism.

2) The vast majority of the untested rape kits came from the failed Detroit crime lab, and are proportionate to the residents, victims and perpetrators of the crime. Let's be honest the truth gets downvoted here while uninformed feelings are gobbled up.

(Edit) what is generally factually incorrect, you do realize the rape kits are from Detroit PD , Kim Worthy was Wayne County DA but I don't expect you to know what you're talking about before posting,having read what you've written.

"were found during a routine tour of a Detroit police storage warehouse, some dating back to 1984."

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by DoreenMichele »

turc1656 wrote: post #79

I think the most disturbing thing about this is that there are even 800 serial rapists in one single county, even if it's over a 30-35 year period. That's around 25 serial rapists a year in that one county, which is kind of extraordinary when you think about it. Serial rapists are supposedly incredibly rare. They say that in nearly every case it's someone that the victim knows. This makes me think twice about that. A…

I have a young daughter and information like this kind of terrifies me.

Teach your child that hugs and kisses require mutual consent. Teach her it is her choice and kissing someone once does not obligate her to future kisses. Tell her if someone disrespects her no to come get a parent. Tell friends and relatives of yours no for her if they try to insist she is obligated to give hugs and kisses.

Being dragged off into a dark alley by a total stranger is the rare exception. Sexual assault almost always begins with boundary violation and disrespect and eventually culminates in rape. A child (or woman) who won't accept disrespect and who feels empowered to have a cow at the rudeness stage is at low risk.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by frandroid »

turc1656 wrote: post #79

I think the most disturbing thing about this is that there are even 800 serial rapists in one single county, even if it's over a 30-35 year period. That's around 25 serial rapists a year in that one county, which is kind of extraordinary when you think about it. Serial rapists are supposedly incredibly rare. They say that in nearly every case it's someone that the victim knows. This makes me think twice about that. A…

And that's those caught. From those rapes where women decided to report and get a rape kit done.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by roel_v »

Grollicus wrote: post #33

How can this even happen? How can you misplace 11k rape kits in a way that doesn't disrupt trust in the chain of custody? Does DNA evidence degrade after some time? Are there juristical time limits? Also imagine you're now happily married to some guy for 10 years and suddenly the police comes knocking. Can't protect yourself against stuff like that. Slow procecution is just all around bad for the society.

In Belgium, the "palace of justice" in Brussels has a basement with evidence from decades of (yet to be closed) cases. The building is in such bad shape that there is water coming in at times, plaster falling off the ceiling, some rooms being unsuitable for use as the ceiling might literally fall on your head.

The evidence basement has rows and rows of metal shelving with bags of coke, suitcases of money, and here and there a jar with a cut off finger, or foot, or head. (Most shelves are mundane if course, not saying it's only money and coke).

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Post by jcwayne »

Brockenstein wrote: post #88
rhizome wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demographically, Detroit is currently over 80% black, perhaps only coincidentally similar to the proportion of untested rape kits. Perhaps. However, Detroit was ~30% white in 1980, 3x what it is today, and untested rape kits surely fed a perception of intractable crime over the intervening years as white flight killed the city.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

True, but in this case the rape kits came from a Detroit PD warehouse.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

Brockenstein wrote: post #88
rhizome wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demographically, Detroit is currently over 80% black, perhaps only coincidentally similar to the proportion of untested rape kits. Perhaps. However, Detroit was ~30% white in 1980, 3x what it is today, and untested rape kits surely fed a perception of intractable crime over the intervening years as white flight killed the city.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The difference is very stark.

Check it out at the Dot Project (turn on the overlay in the lower left).

https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/index.html

That line between green and blue between Warren and Detroit is 8 Mile Road, and yes the split between the south and north sides really is that stark.

Wayne County extends west to Livonia and Plymouth, which is a white, affluent, low-crime area. And south through a lot of other white suburbs.

It's completely believable to me that a random, non-discriminatory processing of rape kits would result in 86% of untested kits coming from people of color on that map.

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Post by gamblor956 »

swombat wrote: post #54
kilroy123 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane. I'm definitely not a tough on crime kind of person, but these are people who are unfit to live in society. There should be no rehabilitation for these people. I hate to say it, but lock them up and throw away the key.

Based on your statements here it doesn’t seem like you hate to say it. Why should there be no rehabilitation for this crime? If it is possible to fix these thoroughly broken people, why not do it?

Sex crimes are very difficult to rehabilitate; the recidivism rate is the highest of any category of crime. Even worse, the the more serious the crime, the higher the recidivism rate gets, which is generally the opposite of most other types of crime.

Source: I used to work for the sex crimes unit of the public defender.

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