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Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by pault »

simias wrote: post #105
pault wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is one of those things that nobody expects that will be obvious in hindsight. Offloading rendering and game logic/AI to a massively parallel server network will allow MMOGs to break new ground in world complexity and persistence, and sell subscriptions to more people that can't afford dedicated gaming machines.

I think it would be doable for most current MMORPGS which aren't very timing sensitive so even if you have a couple hundred ms of lag it could still be playable (especially if the game is designed around this limitation). VR however is one application where network lag would clearly be totally unacceptable. Can you imagine having even 50ms of lag while turning your head in a game? It seems like out of all the applica…

Ah, yeah I was thinking more generally than VR. The R&D efforts at Oculus to reduce latency from GPU to viewport indicate that network rendering isn't going to work unless you anticipate and buffer the set of every frame the user could possibly require shortly ahead of time; technically possible for low-fidelity graphics I guess but very inefficient (although now that I'm thinking about it you would have to include all possible states of all non-static game assets as well, which creates a combinatorial explosion; I don't see how it could possibly work).

Regarding cloud gaming, Nvidia has a service in beta, but Amazon seems well positioned for a monopoly in this space (for both developer and consumer use cases) and I'm surprised they haven't been pushing hard for it. I've been using Paperspace heavily for cloud gaming for the last six months and it's a very compelling value proposition. All things considered I'd still rather have a dedicated custom PC, but I can't justify spending $2,000 up front for something that is already good enough at $0.60/hr on demand. You can imagine how big the market could be if instead of selling loss-making consoles you could just push a smart TV app that connects to a cloud gaming service and eliminate the console upgrade cycle. It would also be much easier to lure users from other networks if they don't have to invest $300 in a console to switch. I don't know if it would be a losing proposition for Microsoft and Sony but it could be an entry point for a leaner competitor to get a leg up on the incumbents.

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Post by [deleted] »

pen2l wrote: post #97
philtar wrote: post #95

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I don't know why you have to be so condescending with your comment, but as someone who has used Goo Create, I am willing to bet money that it is the same app.

Hm, was I really condescending in my comment? I've gone back to re-read it and it doesn't strike me as condescending, indeed when I wrote the comment I wrote it simply in a matter-of-factly way with no emotion. But maybe I slipped. Can you please point out which part was condescending? (serious request; am interested in improving my written speech to be both clear and not condescending in any way)

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Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by hccampos »

user1713952 wrote: post #63

The GUI is reminiscent of that of goocreate: https://app.goocreate.com https://learn.goocreate.com

It is the evolution of it indeed. Amazon got the code after Goo Technologies went bankrupt, added some integrations with AWS and rebranded it.

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Post by hccampos »

watty wrote: post #98
bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Do you have any more proof? You keep saying it "IS" Goo Create but based off of what? These screenshots are similar, sure... but far from proof. It looks like you have experience in the industry, it'd be helpful if you laid out a bit more explanation because clearly you have more info.

I am also one of the developers of the original Goo Create (worked on it between 2014 and the end of 2016) and I can confirm it is indeed the same app (including colors, icons, etc). Amazon basically just added some integrations with AWS and a new logo.

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Post by goocoder »

bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Goo founder here, can confirm this, was acquired after bankruptcy. Nice to see it live on! (still looks exactly the same which is cool)

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Post by john_teller02 »

bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Doesn't really look the same. The both have dark backgrounds but are completely different otherwise.

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Post by Stefan-H »

stesch wrote: post #19
ane wrote: post #2

The name has to be a reference to Snow Crash .

WARNING: "Snow Crash" is a comedy! Over the years people mentioned the book in comments about metaverses and VR. But nobody said it was a comedy. I was buying it with the expectation of getting some serious science fiction about a topic I'm interested in. Instead it starts off with some pizza delivery science fiction parody.

Serious science fiction does not need to be bereft of comedy. Satirical science fiction, like many of the works of Vonnegut, are hilarious and ludicrous, but no less science fiction for that fact.

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Post by stesch »

Stefan-H wrote: post #117
stesch wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WARNING: "Snow Crash" is a comedy! Over the years people mentioned the book in comments about metaverses and VR. But nobody said it was a comedy. I was buying it with the expectation of getting some serious science fiction about a topic I'm interested in. Instead it starts off with some pizza delivery science fiction parody.

Serious science fiction does not need to be bereft of comedy. Satirical science fiction, like many of the works of Vonnegut, are hilarious and ludicrous, but no less science fiction for that fact.

I've read comedy science fiction and horror. I don't have a problem with it per se. I just haven't expected it in this case and it was really stupid.

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Post by grogenaut »

Theodores wrote: post #73
grogenaut wrote: post #51

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Not really. They mostly built a second parallel system for aws and moved to using it several years after launch. Yes they used knowledge that existed in house but it was a totally separate project and mini company

We imagined that Amazon AWS was letting us use a few of their servers that were idle because it was not the Xmas rush. This was a convenient narrative at the time and it explained the competitive pricing. Reality was that it was a different gig.

I believe that was the goal, but like any large endeavor it took a while to get going.

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Post by ToJans »

gbrits wrote: post #59

A bit at a tangent, but I was recently looking for software (open source or commercial) that could help me develop a 'interior design / planning' editor. I.e.: given a specific area (outside dimensions), allow to drag walls, doors, etc to create a floorplan, and given that, allow more detailed planning like kitchen, bathroom appliances, etc. Ideally, this would result in a 3d-model which could be imported in a tool l…

We build tools like that over at https://virtualsaleslab.com. Not open source unfortunately...
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