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Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by bonqis »

aptsurdist wrote: post #11

I was initially very excited to see this post. I have always believed that flattr's subscription/contribution model could be so important for supporting creatives and grassroots efforts. So I'm disappointed that it seems I can't signup and contribute without installing a browser plugin that can read and change all my browser data and browser history... nope. Flattr team, please fix that and I'll consider giving you a…

The extension is how we can make the solution without any need for integration into sites (and services) and without any effort for the contributor. This is what we learned during the years to be needed for this to work on scale.

(The change history is included in the history access scope in Chrome.)

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by lf1 »

drops wrote: post #6

Seems like a lot of hassle. Why shouldn't creators just keep using Patreon? None of the buzzwords in the post would convince me to switch.

It doesn't really need to be an alternative, creators could easily use both alongside one another. Since Flattr works automatically and doesn't require the creator to do anything additional:)

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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jyrkesh wrote: post #52

This might seem super nitpicky (I apologize in advance), but the domain and blog UX needs a little fixing. My 30 second experience: - skim blog, yeah, looks good, heard of this before, hope they're successful, , whatever - click logo to try and get to main site - sent to blog.flattr.net instead - go to address bar, remove "blog." - 404 - ugh, maybe they're one of those that only left "www." to go their root page - ad…

Ah, true. The reason the blog is on .net is for security reasons. We don't want to have a WP blog (with all it's flaws) on a domain that should be trusted by our own system.

That said, a FW from .net to .com seems logical, and a link to the site too, hehe.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by bonqis »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #81
cyphar wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Effectively, you allocate a portion of funds every month to Flattr. Over that month you can click the "flattr" button on any site that has one, and at the end of the month your monthly contribution is split evenly among all of your "flatter" choices. I don't know if they added recurring donations, last I looked at this service was a couple of years ago. EDIT: Apparently they've made it an extension that tracks your b…

That was Flattered 1.0. Peter Sunde let his connection to Flattered go to avoid issues with the PirateBay case, else there was the risk that the legal charges could have damaged flattr ... but Flattr 1.0 never managed to be really profitable (too few sites with a Flattr button -> not gaining many active users -> less sites with Flattr button) thus they sold out to those Adblocker Guys ....

Ok, that is not really what happened. But it's a too long story for a HN comment ;)

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by lf1 »

dexterdog wrote: post #30

The key to a concept like this is massive, massive adoption by content creators. Flattr has been around for 7+ years and it's still relatively non-existent. Heck, the subreddit has 63 subscribers. Don't get me wrong. I love the idea and was trying to pitch people for funding on this almost 10 years ago and never hit anything but a brick wall.

Previously Flattr was quite niche, but the new release appeals more to creators of all kinds...seems like this could solve the adoption issue

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by bonqis »

falcolas wrote: post #51

Any word on their content limitations? With the recent kerfluffel between Patreon and adult content creators, is this an alternative? I'm going to guess not, given the association with Visa and MC only. ... Had to dig - nope: > Pornographic or highly suggestive content or images that violate the applicable laws. Their "Types of websites not permitted" list is fairly long: https://flattr.com/files/terms.pdf

Yes, this is correct. In general payment providers has these set of rules/policies, that because the large institutions like Visa, Mastercard and banks does not accept these areas of payments.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by bonqis »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #25

Are they claiming that installing local spyware is somehow more secure than if they just used third party cookies to track their users usage? I mean its bad enough that an ad network knows when you goto a participating site, but this would have access to so much more. With zero benefit over using the same techniques google and facebook use to track you.

Absolutely the opposite!

We keep all your private data on your device where the algorithm runs and makes decisions on what to flattr. Instead of sending it all to us and then do the same on our servers. This is very conscious choice to make the service privacy friendly.

Re: Flattr 2.0 launches to the public

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Post by bonqis »

tcmb wrote: post #12

I used to love Flattr's general concept, but from a product management perspective, I'm more than skeptical these changes will drive adoption. They don't make it easier for creators, and consumers now have a default-spending process running with questionable privacy implications, instead of making conscious decisions about whom to support. That being said, I think the general model of Flattr is really great and I've…

You hit the head on the nail, but from the wrong angle ;)

That what you liked was actually exactly why we failed so far.

1. Users needed to do a conscious choice, clicking the button. Our research and data showed that was not what people wanted or did.

2. The button was to hard to add to a site and also visible and promoted a brand etc. All things publishers don't want. Besides the button does not work on any social network or content platform. The new solution works anywhere and is when it's hardest to use adding a meta-tag.

The new solution is a "fire and forget" solution. You set it up ones and then it just work. For both contributors and creators/publishers.

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