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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by Klathmon »

nunez wrote: post #92
cisanti wrote: post #17

Are that kind of drinks popular in North America and if, then why..? I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that.

They are popular amongst people that don’t know of other options. Meal replacements have been around since forever. Every grocery store out there carries Slimfast, for example. Abbott and Labrada Labs, amongst many others, also make them. IMO Soylent tastes gross, too. Kind of like soggy cereal.

Slimfast (and many of the alternatives) are diet tools, I drink Soylent for the opposite reason, so I get calories.

As someone that doesn't really take pleasure in eating on my own, cooking, cleaning, and even eating is a chore that I'll skip if I'm busy or stressed.

Soylent lets me easily grab something that won't have too strong of a taste and isn't as bad for me as skipping a meal, or eating half a bag of goldfish.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

mful wrote: post #10
HarryHirsch wrote: post #3

The Canadian requirements look very sensible: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/labelling/food-labelling-fo... Spit it out - which one did Soylent fail?

The 30% cap on calories from fat is pretty ridiculous in my view. Even if you don't buy into the idea that fat is healthful, there is plenty of science that indicates it is, and so at least CIFA should not regulate fat content in this way. Sidenote: I don't drink Soylent and have no idea if it fails the fat content. I'm in the "Soylent is not healthful" camp, if it matters.

In general, it's been pretty well accepted in Canada that fats should take a higher priority and we should reduce our overall carbohydrate consumption in a healthy diet. [0]

The alternative to this being athletes. We had to carbo-load the night before a game/race/etc -- but not on the regular.

I think those caps are meant to nudge people in the direction of getting their nutrients from non-processed food sources. It's somewhat more reliable to maintain a healthy intake of nutrients by eating food versus supplementation. [1]

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[0] https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/som...

[1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-ge...

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by NOSHSHNACKERS »

ssijak wrote: post #105

I always hated Soylent. Their bold and false marketing (things like "We solved nutrition.", "Complete nutrition no matter which flavor you choose."). If it was me, I would ban them everywhere, not just Canada, because of that false advertising. It is one thing, making a drink and selling it, and another marketing it like that. It was very painful from the start listening how 2 guys with no background SOLVED NUTRITION…

man boobs http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/does-soy-re...

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by ForRealsies »

ssijak wrote: post #105

I always hated Soylent. Their bold and false marketing (things like "We solved nutrition.", "Complete nutrition no matter which flavor you choose."). If it was me, I would ban them everywhere, not just Canada, because of that false advertising. It is one thing, making a drink and selling it, and another marketing it like that. It was very painful from the start listening how 2 guys with no background SOLVED NUTRITION…

Great for killing off your testosterone levels though.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by CuriouslyC »

RunawayGalaxy wrote: post #35

From what I understand, Soylent severely underestimates the importance of fiber in the human diet.

Fermentable fibers aren't just important, they're one of the key determinants of how healthy your diet is. Mood, memory & cognitive function, immune function, inflammation and leanness are all strongly influenced by your microbiome. Not only does a high fiber diet promote an optimal microbiome, the byproducts of fiber fermentation are actually the mechanism for most of the benefits.

Soylent also fails due to a lack of health-promoting phytonutrients. Between this and the lack of fiber, it is really a poor choice. You really need to get one solid, plant based meal a day for proper health. A better on-the-go alternative to soylent is a mixture of nuts and high phytonutrient dried fruit like blueberries/cherries (without added sugar). Tempeh also works well on the go and it is extremely healthy.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by krakensden »

rblatz wrote: post #80
tree_of_item wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ensure in particular is a bad example. I'm sure it is used in lots of hospitals but it shouldn't be: https://storiesbycarrol.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/food-or-vil...

Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals right up until it comes to dietitians... Then suddenly random bloggers and cherry picked studies come flying out of the wood work, much like the anti-vaccine crowd. And I say this with the belief that Americans eat too many carbs, and a higher fat/lower carb diet would be better for people. I just don’t understand this disconnect.

Nutrition science has an ugly history of wrongness and capture by industry. I am also extremely wary of psychology, which puttered along doing bad work for decades before the current replication crisis. We could all have a foodfight about Economics for fifty years.

There is a bunch of foundational stuff in science that is great, but like any human endeavour, there is also plenty of garbage and nonsense.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by sandworm101 »

ssijak wrote: post #105

I always hated Soylent. Their bold and false marketing (things like "We solved nutrition.", "Complete nutrition no matter which flavor you choose."). If it was me, I would ban them everywhere, not just Canada, because of that false advertising. It is one thing, making a drink and selling it, and another marketing it like that. It was very painful from the start listening how 2 guys with no background SOLVED NUTRITION…

They aren't out to fix all the health problems associated with what people do and don't eat, or about any lack of food. The "solve nutrition" stuff is more about solving the "what shall I eat today" question. It's about providing a product to lazy people. They throw some science in because they know that sells to their target market, which isn't everyone. Like most other fad foods the real product is the marketing hype. This news will help. It positions them as another cutting edge company being trampled upon by notoriously evil Canadian food regulators interested only in protecting their vast maple sugar monopolies.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

QAPereo wrote: post #23
cisanti wrote: post #17

Are that kind of drinks popular in North America and if, then why..? I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that.

Outside of SV and offline, most people have never heard of Soyoent and find it freakish more often than not. Edit: I’m not judging myself, just reporting. I think it probably does the job for people who want it, and doesn’t harm the rest of us.

Frankly, I've always wondered why in the hell they'd name it after Soylent Green. Sometimes it seems like we've arrived at maximum saturation of irony in North America.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by CuriouslyC »

tree_of_item wrote: post #70
simonsarris wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know anyone was afraid of dietary cholesterol in 2017. Remember, I'm advocating: > Pasteurized Whole Milk, Pasteurized Cream, Live Active Cultures Over: > Filtered water, soy protein isolate, maltodextrin, high oleic sunflower oil, isomaltulose, canola oil, rice starch, oat fiber, isomaltooligosaccharide, soy lecithin, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, magnesium phosphate, natural & artificial flavors,…

> I didn't know anyone was afraid of dietary cholesterol in 2017. You didn't know, or you don't think they should be? The jury is still out on dietary cholesterol, and there are plenty of people, some on this very forum, who consider it a health hazard. I'm aware of recent research suggesting it isn't all that bad, but there's no telling if that's going to be reversed as well in a couple of years.

The truth here is actually a bit more nuanced. Dietary cholesterol isn't universally bad/ok. Some people have defective cholesterol metabolism, and dietary cholesterol can cause them issues. Most people have a cholesterol metabolism that achieves homeostasis even in the presence of dietary cholesterol. As a result, you can create a study where dietary cholesterol looks bad/good just by tweaking your study population.

For reference, dietary cholesterol is most often a problem for people of certain African, south Asian, Mesoamerican and Mediterranean populations that historically consumed limited animal products, or low fat animal products such as warm-water fish. People of central/northern European/Asian descent are typically fine.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by squeaky-clean »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #68
cal5k wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well here's an example - I'm having jaw surgery tomorrow and will be on a liquid diet for a week. I stocked my fridge up with Soylent so that I'd have something decent-tasting and relatively nutritious to drink while I'm feeling like garbage. I also will make shakes, but sometimes soylent is just easier.

Why not buy a commercially made meal replacement product that has been on the market for decades and is endorsed by nursing and medical professions and is used in hospitals? Its not like no one had ever done meal-replacement foods before Soylent came along. Its not new, its not cheaper, its not as well regulated, its not as flavorful. Seriously, why would you buy Soylent (which has had numerous beta 'failures') over…

Ensure is extremely sweet. Living off Ensure, you'd either have to get the zero carb version, or you'll have 2x the sugars of Soylent. It's also just disgusting to drink more than 3 of something so sugary before needing something else. The original Soylent flavor I can have for weeks before feeling like I need a change.

If a cheaper competitor emerges that doesn't taste like a milk shake, I'd switch to that. But so far no one has offered a reasonable alternative.

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