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New law bans California employers from asking applicants their prior salary

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Re: New law bans California employers from asking applicants their prior salary

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Post by komali2 »

disiplus wrote: post #105
komali2 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About to get a hell of a lot harder for contract recruiters to match candidates with expected salary, and match companies with candidates that fall within the salary bounds. Only solution is probably to stress to their clients to just set a max salary and expect to pay it.

how about telling the candidates in front that the expected salary is in the range of x-y.

Because every time I told a candidate a range, I'd hear back "ok so the salary is {{max_salary}}, cool."

Nobody in the contracting world wants to undersell themselves. If somebody on the team is getting 75/hr, everybody better get 75/hr or hell gets raised. This is why the O&G industry out in Houston pushes back hard against any salary-sharing.

Re: New law bans California employers from asking applicants their prior salary

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Post by rpowers »

distances wrote: post #52
rpowers wrote: post #38

Really wish this would extend to apartment rent applications. I'm fine with a credit check, but they don't need to know how high they can increase my rent before I'll need to move. edit I am referring to my experience renting apartments from Property Management run communities. (Think Essex or Prometheus) Rent increases every year with them.

Isn't the rent usually fixed and known to all renters-to-be? Or did I miss your meaning?

At apartments organized by property management companies, the rent typically goes up every year. By providing your income, you give them a maximum they can easily creep the rent towards.

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Post by fleitz »

arachnids wrote: post #63
ciro_langone wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there isn't, unless you're okay with short-selling yourself. If you share and your amount is > the employers, you have no job. Bad situation. If you share and your amount is If you offer the number first, the employer becomes the customer - and the customer is always right. If you wait for them to make you an offer, they have to make an offer that is compelling, in the same way sales people go above-and-beyond to…

> If you share and your amount is > the employers, you have no job. FWIW, I have never had this happen to me in the Valley. Companies will either make projections on what their stock will be worth in the future to make their offer look as attractive as my current pay, or they'll straight up tell me that they have a leveling chart and $X is the maximum they can offer. Asking me is a rational thing for them to do becau…

Exactly, it's game theory. The trick to getting high salaries is not to try to win individual negotiations but to win in the general marketplace. I always disclose and ask for their pay so that we can get that out of the way quickly, and I can move on to somewhere that pays what I'm looking for.

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Post by cracell »

geebee wrote: post #60

I'd prefer to see this go in the other direction and make all salary information public. Right now, employers have far more information than employees, and I don't think this law will do much to change that. To me, it's similar to real estate - imagine if only sellers had access to the database of exactly what every house sold for and when, but buyers had to go with unsubstantiated, scattered rumors. Or vise versa. T…

No thank you.

My salary is private. I do not want my family and friends to know how much I make.

I also have never told a potential employer my salary. I believe it stopped things from going on to the interview stage but the way they took my refusal made me assume they paid under market rate.

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Post by maxxxxx »

geebee wrote: post #60

I'd prefer to see this go in the other direction and make all salary information public. Right now, employers have far more information than employees, and I don't think this law will do much to change that. To me, it's similar to real estate - imagine if only sellers had access to the database of exactly what every house sold for and when, but buyers had to go with unsubstantiated, scattered rumors. Or vise versa. T…

I remember seeing a table of salaries for each H-1 visa. I think the information is public.

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Post by mamon »

rpowers wrote: post #38

Really wish this would extend to apartment rent applications. I'm fine with a credit check, but they don't need to know how high they can increase my rent before I'll need to move. edit I am referring to my experience renting apartments from Property Management run communities. (Think Essex or Prometheus) Rent increases every year with them.

They really do that in America? I rented a lot of apartments in my country and was never asked about my income, or had a credit check. The usual way of avoiding not paying renters is requiring first rent plus guarantee deposit (usually equal to the one month rent) in advance. No further proofs of financial credibility required.

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Post by nuclear_eclipse »

gordon_freeman wrote: post #102

Just to be a devil's advocate here : in a hypothetical scenario wouldn't this allow a candidate to give a fake inflated salary of his past job being well aware that it's illegal for recruiter or employer to investigate if this number is true? Edit: I think I misunderstood the new law proposed here. It is not even legal for employer to ask the salary of past job. In that case this situation would not even occur.

If the prospective employer can't ask, why would you offer a previous salary in the first place, let alone lie about it? Hiring company states their expected salary range, and you either accept it, reject it, or negotiate for your desired salary.

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Post by komali2 »

kingnothing wrote: post #97
komali2 wrote: post #79

So how does this work for larger companies with multiple offices? Some cases I'm curious about (and have always been for laws like this): My company's headquarters are registered in Texas, but we have an office in CA that is doing hiring for that office. Same as above, but hiring someone residing in CA to move to Texas. Same as above, but hiring someone residing in CA to remote work (in CA or wherever they please). T…

If you have a California office, you have to be incorporated in California, which means you're a California employer.

Ok cool, that makes sense. In that case, does CA law apply when you do a hire for your Texas office? Being both a Texan and California employer?

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Post by geebee »

maxxxxx wrote: post #115
geebee wrote: post #60

I'd prefer to see this go in the other direction and make all salary information public. Right now, employers have far more information than employees, and I don't think this law will do much to change that. To me, it's similar to real estate - imagine if only sellers had access to the database of exactly what every house sold for and when, but buyers had to go with unsubstantiated, scattered rumors. Or vise versa. T…

I remember seeing a table of salaries for each H-1 visa. I think the information is public.

Yeah, but not with names, and not for every employee (ie., including non H1B workers), right?

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Post by buryat »

binarymax wrote: post #99
buryat wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better yet telling them what salary you want and not disclose your previous salary. Don't start you work relationship with a lie.

But then you lose the chance to negotiate up. Any number you state can be interpreted as the highest you will get offered. In salary negotiation, make it so the employer presents the first offer, and then negotiate up.

Give them some range and do due diligence, the market figures are usually known
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