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Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by inetknght »

Pxtl wrote: post #31
creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

It seems like a mix of Reddit google's network algorithm could work - don't just upvote/downvote the post, but lend the commenter's credibility. So upvotes from hordes of poo-flinging monkeys aren't weighted as heavily from upvotes from credible sources. Then the hack: this is a newspaper. They have no reason to be fair. Give community moderators super-credibility. So they can upvote people and not just give their co…

What people want isn't necessarily what they need.

When people's needs are satisfied, they want more of that.

So let's satisfy their needs instead. Echo chambers are ultimately self-defeating as they bring on more divisiveness and intolerance.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by unescape »

oh_sigh wrote: post #107
unescape wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the explanation. I would be interested to help build a plugin that implements user-local moderation policies, if sites would actually install it. If that's not likely to happen, then a distributed commenting model seems more useful to me.

User-local moderation will be hamstrung by the lack of data. Sure, you can block certain users or reorder the results a little bit, but anything interesting would probably require the server shipping over huge amounts of data to a client which may never even do anything useful with it, which sites are unlikely to do. Your best bet if you really want this feature is to implement it yourself server-side with just enoug…

Individuals publishing psuedonymous moderation would provide the necessary data, provided privacy concerns can be addressed.

I.e. as I upvote your comment, I publish the info that "user XYZ upvoted this comment" which you can use in your own user-local moderation schema (at your discretion).

What we have to avoid is when Potential Employer looks for info on "John Q. Smith", they can identify which articles he upvoted.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#113

Post by spynxic »

Pxtl wrote: post #31
creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

It seems like a mix of Reddit google's network algorithm could work - don't just upvote/downvote the post, but lend the commenter's credibility. So upvotes from hordes of poo-flinging monkeys aren't weighted as heavily from upvotes from credible sources. Then the hack: this is a newspaper. They have no reason to be fair. Give community moderators super-credibility. So they can upvote people and not just give their co…

Your solution gives merit to the individual for making the comment as opposed to the the content of comment itself. Similar to a democracy where the individual is a representative of quality content.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#114

Post by laretluval »

inetknght wrote: post #111
Pxtl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a mix of Reddit google's network algorithm could work - don't just upvote/downvote the post, but lend the commenter's credibility. So upvotes from hordes of poo-flinging monkeys aren't weighted as heavily from upvotes from credible sources. Then the hack: this is a newspaper. They have no reason to be fair. Give community moderators super-credibility. So they can upvote people and not just give their co…

What people want isn't necessarily what they need . When people's needs are satisfied, they want more of that . So let's satisfy their needs instead. Echo chambers are ultimately self-defeating as they bring on more divisiveness and intolerance.

Do internet comment sections satisfy any need?

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by sampl »

Pxtl wrote: post #31
creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

It seems like a mix of Reddit google's network algorithm could work - don't just upvote/downvote the post, but lend the commenter's credibility. So upvotes from hordes of poo-flinging monkeys aren't weighted as heavily from upvotes from credible sources. Then the hack: this is a newspaper. They have no reason to be fair. Give community moderators super-credibility. So they can upvote people and not just give their co…

> It creates an echo-chamber, of course... but ultimately, that's what people want.

I want to eat ice cream every day, but I also want to feel good and be healthy.

Let's give people a little credit--if they're aware of their biases and are given tools to overcome them, a lot of folks might make the right choice.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#116

Post by SubiculumCode »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #5
tvanantwerp wrote: post #3

As a DC-area resident and frequent reader of the Washington Post, the biggest problem with their comments section is the commenters. I'm not sure how this helps.

> "I'm not sure how this helps." Better tools to filter out trolls leaves more space for healthy debate.

Not just trolls. I find that moderating voices have a hard time on comment sections. There is a tendency to go to one extreme or the other, where the most hardliners tend to drown others out.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#117

Post by specialist »

creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

I dimly recall one or two political blogs which grant daily rations. Something like 1 comment a day for noobs, more as you gain karma.

I have no idea how well this worked.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#118

Post by snakeanus »

It would be nice if they would drop the account system and just let the users post their comments signed by their private key if they want to associate a comment with themselves or their persona. It would also be nice if they supported NNTP for commenting and reading comments.

Moreover I think that it would be great if it worked without any js (or if at least worked with addons like librejs) - knowing mozilla however they will probably not care about these.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

#120

Post by kiba »

Pxtl wrote: post #31
creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

It seems like a mix of Reddit google's network algorithm could work - don't just upvote/downvote the post, but lend the commenter's credibility. So upvotes from hordes of poo-flinging monkeys aren't weighted as heavily from upvotes from credible sources. Then the hack: this is a newspaper. They have no reason to be fair. Give community moderators super-credibility. So they can upvote people and not just give their co…

It creates an echo-chamber, of course... but ultimately, that's what people want.

Done right, it will allow diversity of opinion without turning the comment section into an unreadable ranting mess.

Do you really want to read a commentator who post the same screed about republicians or democrats on every story?

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