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How is this different than Facebook's Nuclide?
Source: https://nuclide.io/blog/2017/09/12/Introducing-Atom-IDE-UI/
So I guess the main differences are that it's more lightweight, and open-source.
Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.
Dedicated IDEs seem targeted at “I'm going to spend all day living in this one big project.” Text editors such as Atom and Visual Studio Code seem better at editing a single file, or bopping between a few projects (either within the same or across multiple windows). Either can technically handle the opposite extreme, but seems out of its element there. Also, I have yet to see an IDE that looks and feels like a native…
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IntelliJ is expensive if you want languages not covered by the free edition (like JavaScript), though, and even if you pay for it some things are frustratingly distinct such as if you have a Java/C++ app you need two different "IDEs" (CLion + IntelliJ), and you need to then juggle between those windows. Android Studio is able to work with both even though IntelliJ Ultimate isn't (why, Jetbrains, why!?), but getting A…
Intellij Ultimate costs me £14 a month, with the plugins (which makes it equivalent to Phpstorm, PyCharm, Rubymine and Webstorm) thats less than I spend on coffee in two weeks, it's insane value however you look at it. That said I still spend a chunk of time (maybe 30%) in vscode because for somethings I prefer it (it's git support with git lens is incredible) and for TypeScript it's comparable to Intellij with the a…
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Dedicated IDEs seem targeted at “I'm going to spend all day living in this one big project.” Text editors such as Atom and Visual Studio Code seem better at editing a single file, or bopping between a few projects (either within the same or across multiple windows). Either can technically handle the opposite extreme, but seems out of its element there. Also, I have yet to see an IDE that looks and feels like a native…
XCode?
(I also have fond memories of Think C and then Metrowerks, back in the day. A lot of us used them at Apple, instead of the official MPW.)
This brings up some other advantages of text editors versus IDEs, within my limited experience:
* More rapid support for more languages and syntaxes
* Many of the IDEs just feel sluggish. (Yes, Atom can get that way with large files, large numbers of files, or too many plugins.)
* Xcode in particular kept crashing on me last time I used it for Swift.
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Most importantly, VS Code does all this with a lot better performance and without Facebook.
> and without Facebook Does Atom have any kind of Facebook integration?
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Language servers are local services that analyze the code outside of your editor (and can be used by several editors etc). It's a protocol that got big the last 2 years or so. It doesn't refer to servers in some Cloud.
So... daemons?
Unlike lots of the posters here, I see a real need for an IDE that's completely free. I have used Eclipse and IntelliJ, and the bloat/bug/setup process in them is incredibly painful. However, I don't know if we're just going to add those problems into atom instead of what makes atom awesome - easy package management, fast text editing - and remove it.
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I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.
IntelliJ is expensive if you want languages not covered by the free edition (like JavaScript), though, and even if you pay for it some things are frustratingly distinct such as if you have a Java/C++ app you need two different "IDEs" (CLion + IntelliJ), and you need to then juggle between those windows. Android Studio is able to work with both even though IntelliJ Ultimate isn't (why, Jetbrains, why!?), but getting A…
It is a bargain compared with what I used to pay for programming tools during the 90's.
In other professions people care to buy their tools.
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> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.
I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.
Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.
For languages were the language service is good (typescript, C#) I barely see a disadvantage to full visual studio. For languages with weaker support (C++) I tend to open the project in both environments and use Code for longer editing tasks and full VS for compilation and debugging.