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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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Except FreeBSD is considering moving to something like launchd or systemd itself, because honestly a SMF isn't a bad idea compared to init scripts, which are rather bare bones.

No they are not. The former head of Launchd development at Apple was pushing to have FreeBSD adopt Launchd, but got rebuffed. So instead he has forked FreeBSD into NextBSD.

And looking at the commit logs for NextBSD [0] it is dead now too.

[0] https://github.com/NextBSD/NextBSD

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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"Things have to be said." Then say them. Simply posting that systemd is bad, and appealing to your position as an experienced UNIX user without giving specifics is just signalling at best. I probably count as a Veteran System Administrator myself, and personally I am tired of anti-systemd people coming into conversations that have little to do with systemd, and trying to hijack the conversation with content-light pos…

I have used systemd only as one of the data points in overall state of the industry, please read my initial post. It is important point for me because I used to use Linux everywhere and rely on its modularity and security. I am looking at the big picture and how trends correlate, not particularly focused on systemd only. Rest of the conversation emerged because 'silent majority' (lol) focused on systemd only. You are…

> You probably know about all vulnerabilities introduced by systemd?

You probably know about all vulnerabilities introduced by openrc or sysvinit?

Right you can't since every script itself could have a vulnerability

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

> but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing

Oracle is nothing but a cancer. Everything they touch turn into goo. This is not the first company to be killed by Oracle acquisition. And not the last.

And don't let me started on the ridiculous range-check trial: this sums up the disgusting state this company has fallen into.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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Oh you seriously believe linux is not where it is due to huge sums from intel,samsung,red hat and countless of others ? Please...

> Oh you seriously believe linux is not where it is due to huge sums from intel,samsung,red hat and countless of others ? With the exception of Red Hat I totally concur that Linux has moved very far because of financial infusions from industry. But at the same time that 'toy operating system' was already quite usable before any of that happened. As for Red Hat, they exist because of Linux, not the other way around.

We can agree to disagree on that point. Redhat is basically the universally supported platform in the enterprise. You want to call inf or a support case on that SAS HBA? You need to be running Redhat. You have a flaky NIC? Redhat. New Fibre Channel HBA? Redhat.

And rightly so, the vendor on the other end needs to know they've got an actual live person to work with on troubleshooting. Without Redhat I have no doubt Linux would still be alive and well, but it would NEVER have gotten the foothold it has in the enterprise today (coming from someone who worked at one of those hardware vendors back in the day and tried to push for support of other distributions).

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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post #112

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I have used systemd only as one of the data points in overall state of the industry, please read my initial post. It is important point for me because I used to use Linux everywhere and rely on its modularity and security. I am looking at the big picture and how trends correlate, not particularly focused on systemd only. Rest of the conversation emerged because 'silent majority' (lol) focused on systemd only. You are…

> You probably know about all vulnerabilities introduced by systemd? You probably know about all vulnerabilities introduced by openrc or sysvinit? Right you can't since every script itself could have a vulnerability

No need since I can choose what I start, in what order, and I can check every simple script myself. They were short and doing one thing well. Good luck doing that with 300+K lines of code with systemd.

Arguments like this really don't help systemd and show either ignorance or worse.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I always thought IBM would be the most fitting company to buy Sun.

IBM is facing the exact same problem selling AIX boxes as Sun/Oracle and HP do selling their Unix hardware and OS, so why would IBM have been a better fit to buy Sun? I think Sun was (mostly) acquired to prevent Java IP being sold to other, more nefarious parties (such as MS or patent trolls). Both Oracle and IBM were (and still are, though to a lesser extent) heavily invested into the Java ecosystem. Sun OS/Solaris…

I meant it more in the sense of how an old friend/rival could respectfully carry their casket to the grave, as opposed to the way Oracle desecrated and devoured the flesh of the corpse.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

ZFS lives on in OpenZFS, which is where FreeBSD, Linux and other platform developers and some companies exchange their modifications of ZFS. Solaris lives on in illumos and forks of it.

Illumos is a great project and doesn't get nearly as much attention as it should.

I'm also glad that ZFS has managed to find its way to other operating systems. I've been a huge fan of it ever since it first arrived in Solaris.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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post #81

I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

Would it have been different if any other company had bought Sun? Solaris was competing against free, without much to justify the large added cost. It's been a very long time since I heard of anyone buying new Solaris installations.

We sell Solaris installation and support all the time, but only for running Oracle database installation.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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post #113
post #81

I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

> but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing Oracle is nothing but a cancer. Everything they touch turn into goo. This is not the first company to be killed by Oracle acquisition. And not the last. And don't let me started on the ridiculous range-check trial: this sums up the disgusting state this company has fallen into.

ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software.

Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely.

They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem.

ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.

Aurea does the same in mid-tier by the way.

The circle of life...

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