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Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

outsidetheparty wrote: post #95
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has monopoly in terms of YouTube. Instead of Comcast, I can use Verizon 4G. Comcast, Verizon, may slow me down but YouTube just simply bans people for saying things that they don't like.

>Google has monopoly in terms of YouTube. And I have a monopoly in terms of my living room, and have as much right to control what happens in my space as google does in theirs. Other living rooms, and other websites, can similarly set their own policies. Yes, there's a point beyond which a single company can become so large and pervasive that it shades into monopoly, and antitrust measures become necessary. Whether G…

When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection.

No different than taking another road to go to the bank. My account and money in there is still safe.

If the bank take away my account without due legal process, does it matter if the roads to get to the bank were traffic/pothole/toll free?

For a YouTube content creator, who spent years building brand and audience, one fine day to wake up and have videos demonetized and/or account suspended is like bank terminating your account without giving you a dime from your account. With bank, you can get government/FDIC engaged, with YouTube, they are the Gods of that universe.

There are private entities, public corporations and government. We hold public corporations to a different standard than individual persons.

If DNS can be taken away form you without due legal process, does it really matter if your ISP can throttle you or not. NN has become a fringe issue, yes, I do support NN, but at this point I would rather use NN to show hypocrisy of large monopolistic social media platforms. Free Speech is more important to me than NN.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by prophesi »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #108
prophesi wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without net neutrality, you might not have an audience in the first place. I'm telling you, it's as big of an issue as Google/Facebook's algorithms and their account/video takedowns. It would become even more impossibly difficult to compete with their services. The problem is their monopolization, and a lack of net neutrality would kill their competition. This is a bit of a tangent, but it sounds like you're wanting…

>Without net neutrality, you might not have an audience in the first place. DNS can be, and was, taken away without any due legal process. That was my wake up call. Google cloud is registering domains and has that control over it. When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection. No different than taking another road to go to the bank. My account and m…

Finally, some good points.

> When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection.

No, a mobile connection is hardly a replacement for a traditional internet connection. You can't host a site or connect to it with most devices, for example. And no, most people can't choose another ISP. Comcast will have run out all other competitors, or receive funding from the government to build their infrastructure and outlaw any other ISP's from providing service there (which happened in the outskirts of my hometown, despite us already having a much superior self-sufficient ISP with lower cost.)

> I didn't know it was that easy to do. Don't tell Comcast, please. They would be delighted to hear that terms of service is all it took to convince you to override NN.

Yes, their terms of service is all Comcast needs should there not be net neutrality. You are indeed renting it all from them. Net neutrality will stop them from doing what Google can already do.

I hardly doubt Google's account terminations has anywhere near the level of impact that the lack of net neutrality will have. Once again, you can host your site/media/email and manage your DNS elsewhere. The key to taking down Google's kingdom is to set up competition. Net neutrality will help with that.

And a sidepoint: You should always back up your videos/files/etc. Then if Youtube/etc is taken down somehow, or your account is terminated, you'll still be able to put it up elsewhere.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by devopsproject »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #106
devopsproject wrote: post #94

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Using youtube is a privileged, not a right. Google can censor because its user's agree to it as part of their terms of service.

And Comcast will make their ability to slow down or speed up packets a part of their terms of service. done. Glad you agree that Comcast has that right, just like Google. NN doesn't matter if Google can pay God with paying customers, who pay each month for gsuite products, got their account cancelled because Google didn't like what they posted. I would take slow lane over that every day. Capitalism when I like it, so…

You are advocating for changes to laws you don't want because you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of some very basic concepts. Comcast cannot do this now because there are rules and regs to stop them from doing so. Killing net neutrality will enable comcast to dictate traffic. If you don't want them to have that ability, you should be in favor of net neutrality. How are you this dense?

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

devopsproject wrote: post #113
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Comcast will make their ability to slow down or speed up packets a part of their terms of service. done. Glad you agree that Comcast has that right, just like Google. NN doesn't matter if Google can pay God with paying customers, who pay each month for gsuite products, got their account cancelled because Google didn't like what they posted. I would take slow lane over that every day. Capitalism when I like it, so…

You are advocating for changes to laws you don't want because you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of some very basic concepts. Comcast cannot do this now because there are rules and regs to stop them from doing so. Killing net neutrality will enable comcast to dictate traffic. If you don't want them to have that ability, you should be in favor of net neutrality. How are you this dense?

Worrying about Comcast when Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire.

I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book, and made many donations to EFF. But, NN is comparable to carpet stain, restricting opinions you don't like on a multi-billion-people platforms like YouTube/Twitter is comparable to house on fire.

I would rather use NN being invalidated as a way to teach Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit a taste of their own medicine.

I hope someone at Google and Facebook is measuring negative sentiment generated by their actions against speech that they don't like.

Google is allowing ADL to tarnish their brand value. It is dropping like a rock. Google is doubling down on their Clinton campaign investment, they should cut losses and support pillar of American values, Freedom of Speech.

The similarities to "Bernie" telling Democratic party to wise up are too strong here. We are telling Google, the company that I absolutely loved and believed in till two months ago, to wise up or they will lose the affection people had about them taking the company down with it. I can't believe I have stopped using Google search, but here I am.

I am taking no action, no advocacy of NN this time around. Think of this as Bernie supporters telling DNC that Democrats do not represent them anymore. I will band together with the enemy, Ajit Pai, in this case, to make sure Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit pay some price for their censorship.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

prophesi wrote: post #112
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Without net neutrality, you might not have an audience in the first place. DNS can be, and was, taken away without any due legal process. That was my wake up call. Google cloud is registering domains and has that control over it. When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection. No different than taking another road to go to the bank. My account and m…

Finally, some good points. > When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection. No, a mobile connection is hardly a replacement for a traditional internet connection. You can't host a site or connect to it with most devices, for example. And no, most people can't choose another ISP. Comcast will have run out all other competitors, or receive funding fro…

>And a sidepoint: You should always back up your videos/files/etc. Then if Youtube/etc is taken down somehow, or your account is terminated, you'll still be able to put it up elsewhere.

How do I backup my audience?

>The key to taking down Google's kingdom is to set up competition.

Tread one overlord for another, or be an overlord yourself.

I think anti-competitive behavior laws will play a role in taking down Google.

I can't believe I typed that. I loved, loved, loved Google two months ago. Few with political agenda have co-opted years of work of thousands of imaginative, hard working, caring engineers. Now, I want Google broken up by the government using anti-trust.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by devopsproject »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #114
devopsproject wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are advocating for changes to laws you don't want because you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of some very basic concepts. Comcast cannot do this now because there are rules and regs to stop them from doing so. Killing net neutrality will enable comcast to dictate traffic. If you don't want them to have that ability, you should be in favor of net neutrality. How are you this dense?

Worrying about Comcast when Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire. I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book, and made many donations to EFF. But, NN is comparable to carpet stain, restricting opinions you don't like on a multi-billion-people platforms like YouTube/Twitter is comparable to house on fire…

> Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire.

Two different issues. Your Freedom of Speech only prevents government persecution. I don't know how many times I have to explain this. If you don't like the rules of the sites out there, don't use them.

> I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book

From everything I can tell your voluminous objections are all based very incomplete and extremely incorrect assumptions

> I will band together with the enemy, Ajit Pai, in this case, to make sure Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit pay some price for their censorship.

look out boys, we have an edgelord among us. LOL

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by prophesi »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #115
prophesi wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finally, some good points. > When it comes to dire situations, if my ISP does funny business, I can choose another ISP e.g. a mobile connection. No, a mobile connection is hardly a replacement for a traditional internet connection. You can't host a site or connect to it with most devices, for example. And no, most people can't choose another ISP. Comcast will have run out all other competitors, or receive funding fro…

>And a sidepoint: You should always back up your videos/files/etc. Then if Youtube/etc is taken down somehow, or your account is terminated, you'll still be able to put it up elsewhere. How do I backup my audience? >The key to taking down Google's kingdom is to set up competition. Tread one overlord for another, or be an overlord yourself. I think anti-competitive behavior laws will play a role in taking down Google.…

Just two months ago? I've been red-pilled for the past decade.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

devopsproject wrote: post #116
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worrying about Comcast when Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire. I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book, and made many donations to EFF. But, NN is comparable to carpet stain, restricting opinions you don't like on a multi-billion-people platforms like YouTube/Twitter is comparable to house on fire…

> Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire. Two different issues. Your Freedom of Speech only prevents government persecution. I don't know how many times I have to explain this. If you don't like the rules of the sites out there, don't use them. > I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book From everything…

>From everything I can tell your voluminous objections are all based very incomplete and extremely incorrect assumptions

Those 200 pages were written in support of NN.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

prophesi wrote: post #117
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And a sidepoint: You should always back up your videos/files/etc. Then if Youtube/etc is taken down somehow, or your account is terminated, you'll still be able to put it up elsewhere. How do I backup my audience? >The key to taking down Google's kingdom is to set up competition. Tread one overlord for another, or be an overlord yourself. I think anti-competitive behavior laws will play a role in taking down Google.…

Just two months ago? I've been red-pilled for the past decade.

Red-pilled a year and half ago. I still liked Google, the technical parts. The political advocacy was uncomfortable, but OK, political agenda implementation is downright scary.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Post by pas »

etplayer wrote: post #46
pas wrote: post #37

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Do you maybe care for a tl;dr? I see, that it's not long (124 small form pages), but I'm very interested in what do you [or others] think of the essence of the essays, what are the insights that it gives to the reader. What was unexpected? What was expected? I also see that it's from 1968. How has it aged?

Although the book is long, the essay which I pointed to, which is the most poignant to the point of American democracy, is the only the first one (which is 52 pages long). The second essay concerns the benefits of using science (this term used broadly) to understand human society, and a rejection of the tolerance of some other methods. The third essay concerns what kind of political action should be tolerated in soci…

Thanks! Sounds interesting.

The preference toward the majority (plurality) is not surprising considering how regulatory capture is the norm in the US, due to the strong views of anti-federalism. (Which, I guess wasn't much different in the 60s and before.)

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