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Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

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Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a think tank, not a newswire. It has policy positions and opinions. It's completely expected for them to write articles and titles applauding or "regretting" policy moves. Applauding and regretting and whatnot are both leagues more respectful than your outlandish example.

> Applauding and regretting and whatnot are both leagues more respectful Oh, now you're favoring "respect" over "truly independent thinking"? How odd.

I didn't say that, and you're (probably intentionally) misreading my post.

Your original complaint was that they insulted Google by taking a policy stance against them, and that they might as well have made a title regarding sex acts. I was telling you that is ridiculous.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

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post #109

> There's no genuine, credible anti-corporate voice in American politics. That's because politics in the US requires money and no politician can rise to the mainstream without money. Not only that, if the capital interests saw you rising in local/state elections, then they could fund your opponents and whittle you down. We are a nation ruled by money/capital. NK is a nation ruled by the kim family. The chinese are a…

First, Trump was completely outspent by Clinton and won. Money follows the likely winner and this weird political betting market usually gets it right. It's also hard to say that he served the GOP. It very much looked like the elephant reluctantly did what Trump told it to do. Second, Trump campaigned on lowering immigration and tariffs, by far the most anti-corporate policies American president supported in the livi…

The 2016 election is a extreme outlier for many reasons, so it's difficult to look at it and make any meaningful conclusions in this regard.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't though. They are used by the political parties but no one takes them seriously.

Given how much space in newspapers that CEPOS' press releases gets, I'm considering it as being taken serious. I couldn't put out press release on my amateur research and expect to get articles printed in several national papers, simply because they wouldn't take me seriously.

> I couldn't put out press release on my amateur research and expect to get articles printed in several national papers, simply because they wouldn't take me seriously.

"Expect?" No.

But:

- Write a press release with a sufficiently "useful" headline. Ideally add some research with a conclusion that supports the headline, too, but that's really optional. Write well, and offer lots of both clever "sound bytes" and entire copy-pasteable paragraphs. Journalists are busy and/or lazy.

- "Useful" means that it fits a narrative being advanced by the part of the press you're interested in. However important your story is, without that hook it goes nowhere. With the right hook, a story about goats in Siberia can end up on the front page. These days, a novel edge on the ways that tax cuts shockingly benefits people who pay a lot of tax ("the rich") more than people who pay less or no tax ("the poor") is a shoe-in.

- You'll need some sort of credential, but not much. By the time anyone figures out your PhD is in marine biology and not economics or tax policy or Siberian goats, or the think tank or NGO you're chief researcher of operates out of your kitchen, the world will have moved on.

- Finally, you need a bit of luck, ingenuity and cheekiness getting the release in front of a journalist. Most of them are on Twitter and Facebook, and that seems to be where they do most of their research anyway, so that's a good start. You're going to want to offer them an exclusive.

Incidentally, this is basically how all of these "think tanks" operate, except with a few established press contacts and a sort of short-circuited credentials loop.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#114
post #31

The thing is that Google has absolutely gone down questionable path from their early days. It is a little unfair to think this problem exists only within Google. Time and time again we are reminded why corporations will evolve to become as greedy and as protective of their turf expansive of their power and monopolistic as they can get, even if good people are running them. It is the system itself that does this, corp…

But others didn't start with "Do No Evil" motto (transformed now into "Do the Right Thing").

That's a common misconception. It was really "do know evil".

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#115
post #15

This isn't a problem with Google, it's a problem with the establishment left in the United States. There's no genuine, credible anti-corporate voice in American politics. The reasons why are many, but of course they typically distill down to the incredible power of money to influence people, of which this is an example. The side-effects of there being no credible labor party in our political system manifests, in part…

> There's no genuine, credible anti-corporate voice in American politics.

Ralph Nader? Noam Chomsky?

These people have no voice because people refuse to turn off the TV.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#116
post #93

The key point of the article is this: “Google is very aggressive in throwing its money around Washington and Brussels, and then pulling the strings,” Mr. Lynn said. “People are so afraid of Google now.” Honestly, the only thing shocking about any of this is that people thought Google was "special". The reality is, when its revenues are threatened, it's going to reach like any other corporation, which it should. Googl…

Are you actually locked into those services? I decided to switch away from Google when they mixed up my inbox with someone else's and started sending my email to someone who quickly used the mistake to issue password resets on many of my accounts, and it was easier than I thought.

With Gmail, I just forward my mail to my Outlook.com account, and I switched my email address on as many sites as I could to use my Outlook.com email address. Works just fine.

Office Online with OneDrive is a fantastic product. Sure it costs money, but if you're not paying for a product, you're not "locked in". Download your docs in Office format and save them to OneDrive, done.

I actually switched to Bing Maps a long time prior to this because Google Maps has such poor performance on every computer I use it on. Google Maps has the far superior place search, but Bing Maps works better as an actual map in my experience.

The only Google service I use regularly is Google Translate, because there really is no comparison.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#117
post #109

> There's no genuine, credible anti-corporate voice in American politics. That's because politics in the US requires money and no politician can rise to the mainstream without money. Not only that, if the capital interests saw you rising in local/state elections, then they could fund your opponents and whittle you down. We are a nation ruled by money/capital. NK is a nation ruled by the kim family. The chinese are a…

First, Trump was completely outspent by Clinton and won. Money follows the likely winner and this weird political betting market usually gets it right. It's also hard to say that he served the GOP. It very much looked like the elephant reluctantly did what Trump told it to do. Second, Trump campaigned on lowering immigration and tariffs, by far the most anti-corporate policies American president supported in the livi…

That's why I wrote : "Hillary was probably even more pro-corporations/neo-liberalism than trump. But democrats will argue that hillary cared about the lowly workers."

> Second, Trump campaigned on lowering immigration and tariffs, by far the most anti-corporate policies American president supported in the living memory.

Sure. If a NY billionaire is the "most anti-corporate" president, then does that prove what I'm saying?

> Both of your points are seriously weakened by the 2016 elections.

No. It confirmed it as far as I can tell.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#118
post #67

In a tweet, New America claims this is false, and will release a statement soon: https://twitter.com/slaughteram/status/902874942433263616

Of course they do. Their credibility is on the line, and much has already been lost; they will forever be that group who is beholden to Google.

Maybe wait until after the announcement to judge its veracity.

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#119

LoL, this "Think Tank" is literally a propaganda office; but since NYT largely shares their political biases, they're not willing to admit that it was a dishonest venture before it was directly influenced by Eric Schmidt.

this "Think Tank" is literally a propaganda office

Is that really different from any other think tank or the NYT itself?

Re: Google Critic Ousted from Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant

#120
post #61

The thing is that Google has absolutely gone down questionable path from their early days. It is a little unfair to think this problem exists only within Google. Time and time again we are reminded why corporations will evolve to become as greedy and as protective of their turf expansive of their power and monopolistic as they can get, even if good people are running them. It is the system itself that does this, corp…

Let me see, the title reads "Open Markets Applauds X" where X is a court verdict against those who're funding the think tank that produced the article. Regardless of the content of the article or the fairness of the court's decision, the title itself is inflammatory and nothing less than indicative of someone having a beef and thumbing their nose at Google. The lack of self-awareness on part of whoever came up with t…

I must also disagree with the assumption that he was thumbing his nose. It would appear that his role, as a free market proponent, simply placed him at odds with their benefactor (Google). It seems that Google is not open to criticism or dissent, even when those critics are well-written and bring facts to the table.

In the end, it would appear that Google has morphed into a typical big corporation, with all of the trappings and whimsy attached thereto. The motto of "Do no harm." is just a bumper sticker to Alphabet, at this point :-(

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