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Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#111
post #27

Line that stood out to me: "Rod retweeted in support of an inflammatory anti-Code-of-Conduct article" If you're not 100% onboard with the politics, you're a horrible person.

While I agree with this specific point, it seems that was the "least worse" of that person's actions.

Could you please provide examples?

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#112
post #96

Node.js can, of course, merge in any changes of merit that this fork produces. Especially since the fork isn't for technical reasons they are unlikely to diverge in fundamental ways... Atleast until the fork is abandoned entirely for providing no value over node.js -- especially if they don't keep up with the upstream progress.

And, of course, so can the fork with all changes of merit that the mainline project produces. In the end, the decision between the two will be based on momentum and politics (as in: will the fork produce enough shiny Medium posts and HN buzz to get people to switch to them, or pressure Node into backpedalling and getting rid of Vagg?), unless the fork actually can't find enough competent technical people to just keep track of and merge the mainline changes.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#113

Open a perfectly fine PR that fixes/accomplishes something but prefix PR comment with: "Hey guys," Sit back and watch as you're bombarded with threats and comments about being pro-rape, a straight white male and the like

I've faced this exact scenario a few months back when I asked some questions on Preact's Gitter. Pathetic. English is not even my first language, I swear I didn't know I'd be offending someone by saying "hey guys" :/

It seems that as much as Silicon Valley preaches about being inclusive, they have a strict american-centric view of absolutely everything.

I'm also not a native english speaker and it feels like I'm walking on eggshells constantly.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#114

Brace yourself. SJWs are coming after software projects this year.

I'm pleasantly surprised PHP has remained largely SJW free, probably because it's not trendy. I imagine microcontroller software development stays free of them too, largely because of the barrier to entry.

> I imagine microcontroller software development stays free of them too, largely because of the barrier to entry

The barrier to entry on maintaining a project like Node is large enough...my guess that nothing useful in terms of code or concepts will come from this fork.

Only screams and tantrums.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#115
post #112
post #96

Node.js can, of course, merge in any changes of merit that this fork produces. Especially since the fork isn't for technical reasons they are unlikely to diverge in fundamental ways... Atleast until the fork is abandoned entirely for providing no value over node.js -- especially if they don't keep up with the upstream progress.

And, of course, so can the fork with all changes of merit that the mainline project produces. In the end, the decision between the two will be based on momentum and politics (as in: will the fork produce enough shiny Medium posts and HN buzz to get people to switch to them, or pressure Node into backpedalling and getting rid of Vagg?), unless the fork actually can't find enough competent technical people to just keep…

I was assuming the fork wouldn't consume code from the project that they disliked for political reasons, since it would indicate an admission that the main-project was being successful and executing with their current policies and staff.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with this specific point, it seems that was the "least worse" of that person's actions.

Could you please provide examples?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15079139

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the tweets too. And it seems the Node Technical Steering Committee had similar thoughts, since they rejected the proposal of expelling Rod.

The 60%/40% split on both proposed sanctions indicates that the TSC had no simple unified view of the type you infer.

Some people think and others just react, it's good to know that the majority of people on the Node.js technical committee are thinkers.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please provide examples?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15079139

So this person's crime was being against CoCs? I seem to remember the Ruby community being similarly against this...

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#119
post #49

They're flipping out because of a tweet, and all it had was a link to an article against codes of conduct. "Additionally he discussed private information from the moderation repo in the public thread, which is explicitly against he moderation policy". I don't like such secrecy. What's going on in there? Wasn't community so important, why can't we know? So what if that guy doesn't like CoCs? It is fine for people to h…

While I definitely see where you are coming from, simplifying people's emotional reactions to things to "some people need to chill out" belittles their feelings in a way that isn't helpful. We can support folks who are being attacked unfairly (as @rvagg appears to be from a cursory review of the "evidence" against him) without belittling those who feel maligned.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#120

First: I like the name! That said, it is a bit unfortunate to fork or at least to try to fork a project like Node.js over these reasons. Although it is quite likely that the fork was mainly created to pressure the Node-devs to remove rvagg from the project after all. What puzzles me: Even if we agree that rvagg violated the Code of Conduct, I am not sure that this should be enough to remove him from the TSC (Technica…

"Rod should have predicted the kind of response this tweet received"

I was on the fence until I hit that part. The tacit admission that they're holding him responsible for what other people are saying on Twitter is all I need to know. They wanna feel like righteous warriors defeating evil.

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