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Post by Consultant32452 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #90
Consultant32452 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

> This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist. Not without also pointing out that not only are political party names often misleading, and also that the “National Socialist German Workers Party” name was with the party before Hitler and his gang took over the party and threw out its old platform, specifically getting rid of the socialist bits.

What socialist bits, exactly, do you believe Hitler's Nazis got rid of? Did they get rid of nationalized healthcare? Nope. Did they get rid of the idea that the government, not the free market, had the responsibility of providing you with a job? Nope. Did they get rid of political redistribution of wealth? Definitely not, they just focused more on race while the communists focused on class. Did they have the same beliefs in eugenics that has modern Socialist leaning Iceland ridding itself of 100% of its down syndrome babies via abortion? Yep. Now the Nazis did do some union busting but that's only because they thought unions would steal loyalty from the state. Did they get rid of any socialist bits?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by sn9 »

matt4077 wrote: post #4

Matt Levine says it best: "[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other…

As an aside, that space blockchain section is 0.30 bitcoin [0].

[0] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=price+of+gold+in+bitcoi...

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by krautsourced »

Analemma_ wrote: post #48
krautsourced wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait - aren't you exactly describing identity politics?

Prepare to have your mind blown: it's possible to both dislike contemporary leftist idpol and still think Nazis are indisputably much worse.

I know. I just found it amusing to read it like that. And even though using the term "both sides" has now become tricky, I think indeed left and right have done their fair share to make it come to the situation we are in, with constant hyperbole and hysteria and grandstanding in the media, rather than discussing issues (which probably still happens, one would hope, but it does not make it to the front pages any more).

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Post by dragonwriter »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #110
dragonwriter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazis, arguably, were nationalist socialists in something more meaningful than just the party name—before Hitler took over and redirected the party. Afterwards, they were even more clearly nationalist, but not at all socialist.

Hitler was just a hair to the right of Stalin. Sure, the nazis did some union busting but that's only because they viewed the unions as stealing loyalty from the state. However, the Nazis had the same redistributive ideology of the Communists. Only the communists focused on class while Nazis focused on race. Nazis separated church and state. Germany had universal healthcare and demanded the state be responsible for p…

> I mean, what did Hitler do exactly to redirect the party that you see as not being socialist?

Among the more obvious things, displaced the focus on levelling social and class heirarchy with imposition of the heirarchical doctrine of Führerprinzip, and abandoning any substantive pursuit of the platform plank for confiscation of all non-labor income, and maintaining a robust insistence on the importance of private property and private initiative in industry.

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Post by pas »

davidreiss wrote: post #69
corporateslave3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

His daughter is jewish and his son in law is jewish, so that must mean he hitler.

Hitler eventually married a jew... so, what's your point?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #114
Consultant32452 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler was just a hair to the right of Stalin. Sure, the nazis did some union busting but that's only because they viewed the unions as stealing loyalty from the state. However, the Nazis had the same redistributive ideology of the Communists. Only the communists focused on class while Nazis focused on race. Nazis separated church and state. Germany had universal healthcare and demanded the state be responsible for p…

> I mean, what did Hitler do exactly to redirect the party that you see as not being socialist? Among the more obvious things, displaced the focus on levelling social and class heirarchy with imposition of the heirarchical doctrine of Führerprinzip , and abandoning any substantive pursuit of the platform plank for confiscation of all non-labor income, and maintaining a robust insistence on the importance of private p…

>imposition of the heirarchical doctrine of Führerprinzip

Communists were globalist socialists, Nazis are nationalist socialist. The imposition of the Führerprinzip was pulling power away from the global political regimes supported by the communists into the German one. It's nearly irrelevant with respect to the socialist bit, it's all about the globalist vs nationalist.

>and abandoning any substantive pursuit of the platform plank for confiscation of all non-labor income

What do you think the killing of all those Jews was about? The Jews were stereotypically the wealthy bankers, the 1%ers in today's parlance. One of the first things Hitler did after taking power was run around killing all the communists. Why? Because he believed that the communists wanted to turn over power to international finance regimes (Jewish 1%ers). Obviously the murdering and the racism bits are the key factors for why we hate the Nazis. But murdering and racism aren't what determines whether something is socialist. This was definitely socialism implemented through the eye of a racist.

I'll grant you that Hitler was a hair to the right of Stalin. There was a ghost of private property ownership but the substantive powers of property ownership were held by the government, not by private owners. The government determined what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was distributed, as well as what prices could be charged and what wages would be paid. Does that sound like private property ownership or capitalism or a free market to you? It certainly doesn't sound like it to me.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

sctb wrote: post #81
gremlinsinc wrote: post #13

This is so sad...Nobody wants to play w/ the bigot/racist/nazi sympathizing president... things were so much easier for Hitler...

Please comment civilly and substantively on HN or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

sorry, sometimes I forget I'm not on reddit.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by [deleted] »

sctb wrote: post #81
gremlinsinc wrote: post #13

This is so sad...Nobody wants to play w/ the bigot/racist/nazi sympathizing president... things were so much easier for Hitler...

Please comment civilly and substantively on HN or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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