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The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by holtalanm »

typicalbender wrote: post #38

As an additional perspective, here's an interview from James' perspective[1]. The interviewer is clearly fairly bias and holds the same viewpoint which is unfortunate but I think hearing James' perspective on the purpose of the document is interesting. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU-mHFcXdw

This is an interesting video to listen to, but as you said, the interviewer is most definitely leaning a certain direction.

That being said, I am not informed enough on the topic of gender differences to actually weigh in on who is right or wrong in this situation.

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by alkonaut »

dsfjksdf wrote: post #85
Smaug123 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your definition is demonstrably unusual. Remember, something is true "by definition" if it's not true for any other reason.

According to Google, the definition of sexism is "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." So if you don't consider dating somebody because of their sex, by that definition you are sexist?

> So if you don't consider dating somebody because of their sex, by that definition you are sexist?

Only if not dating someone is discrimination in some useful sense (it's not).

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

alkonaut wrote: post #89
jazzyk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy to race is wrong. There is no research (to the best of my knowledge) claiming that there are biological differences between the same sex of different races. But there is enough research about biological differences between sexes (and some differences are obvious, such as different hormones, etc) to at least warrant a debate . "Sexist" is one of a handful of words that have become absolutely sacred in the…

> There is no research (to the best of my knowledge) claiming that there are biological differences between the same sex of different races. I mean it's not controversial to argue that on average caucasian men are taller than asian men. I can't find a quotation for that exact fact right now but let's just assume it's true for the sake of argument. It's a toy example anyway. If it's scientific doesn't mean I can argue…

> If it's scientific doesn't mean I can argue without repercussion that I should be allowed to cut before asian men in the line in the cafeteria because as tall people we are always hungrier. Even arguing that would (rightly) be considered racist.

Suppose that height is an advantage in basketball and we thereby discover that asian men are underrepresented in the NBA. Are you claiming that is racist and something we have to do something to change?

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by dyarosla »

major505 wrote: post #42

Welcome to the left. Where we are democratic, and suport free-speech, as long as agrees with our views. :)

Left/right is a spectrum. No need to further segregate groups with comments like this even if it is in a half-joking manner.

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by monktastic1 »

alkonaut wrote: post #52
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science by definition can't be sexist. In science there is no place for prejudices, beliefs and biases - only facts. It's human attitudes interpreting these facts that can be sexist, racist and so on. Second, the author didn't argue there are differences between genders or sexes that make one unsuitable for a given task. That's one of the most gross and unfair misrepresentations of the memo.

> Science by definition can't be sexist. Of course. But depending on context the use and quoting of it sure can. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence of physical difference betweeen races, and there are reasonable ways to use those scientific results - and there are racist ways of using them. Doesn't change that > Second, the author didn't argue there are differences between genders or sexes that make one unsuitable…

As one commenter pointed out, it may be something like the gold-and-white vs blue-and-black dress thing. It really behooves each side to try as hard as they can to read the other side's interpretation.

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by waistland01 »

monochromatic wrote: post #78
AlexandrB wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean "Welcome to modern politics". Suppressing free speech you don't agree with is a time-tested tradition of most mainstream political thought. However, it's most disappointing to see from people you otherwise agree with.

In modern days, suppressing free speech is 90% a leftist thing.

you might want to step outside friend, your 4chan is showing

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by travmatt »

monochromatic wrote: post #78
AlexandrB wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean "Welcome to modern politics". Suppressing free speech you don't agree with is a time-tested tradition of most mainstream political thought. However, it's most disappointing to see from people you otherwise agree with.

In modern days, suppressing free speech is 90% a leftist thing.

Didn't a republican congressman literally commit a violent assault on a reporter, and then win accolades by the right and get rewarded for it? Do you believe violent assaults chill free speech?

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by sethish »

ainiriand wrote: post #6

Firing this guy was just a PR move in order to keep things under control. The memo was accurate and I know that Google is going to learn from it even if the guy has been sacrified.

Private companies are not free speech zones. Not firing this person would have been a Title VII violation and opened them to lawsuits.

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by occultist_throw »

root_axis wrote: post #80
major505 wrote: post #42

Welcome to the left. Where we are democratic, and suport free-speech, as long as agrees with our views. :)

I flagged this comment because it's a low-quality political attack made in bad faith which can only serve to start a political flamewar.

Ive had a handful of previous Democratic voters, whom are classify themselves a Liberal, observe the same actions.

"We support free speech, as long as you agree with the core tenants of Political Correctness, Affirmative Action, Feminism, and Liberalism."

Whereas, Republicans/Conservatives have a much greater variance of ideas. There's the RINOs, the Moderates, the Libertarians, Tea Partiers, and more. Yes, there is infighting.

But in the end, they all acknowledge each other as Republicans. They may have spirited "discussions", but they are all allied with the same goals in mind. Reagan taught them that well.

Re: The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science

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Post by dyarosla »

monochromatic wrote: post #78
AlexandrB wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean "Welcome to modern politics". Suppressing free speech you don't agree with is a time-tested tradition of most mainstream political thought. However, it's most disappointing to see from people you otherwise agree with.

In modern days, suppressing free speech is 90% a leftist thing.

This comment is highly opinionated and only further contributes to the left/right rhetoric.
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