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Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Increasing the latency with which you respond to conditions seems like it comes with real downsides. They should just figure out a way to punish this practice.

Or they could, you know, give them fair wages.

Uber drivers have fair wages, considering they are working in a saturated market and competing with people with the qualifications of a 16 years old teen.

There are a lot of people with these qualifications.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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I use Uber pass fairly regular on my commute to work. One other minor unrelated thing I have seen is if the commute is within On talking to couple of drivers on a few occasions they confessed that they do this to filter out folks asking for lower mile rides!! edit: This is obviously not in high uber/lyft density zone like a downtown SF where one can assume most of the rides endup being in the 2 mile radius.

It should be pretty easy to filter out, given that there will be a very strong correlation between length of the drive and rating.

Passenger rating does matter when it comes to how fast you are getting your ride.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Yeah, I'm mostly not a fan, now that we're a few years in. Waves of people inexperienced, untrained in shuttling people around a major metro have resulted in downtown Chicago being an utter mess compared to only a few years ago. Chicago forced cab drivers to go through a training and certification course that at least forced them to understand the major routes and grid system we're on, and every time I've been in an…

ADA non-compliant vehicles as well. Disabled passengers cannot ride an Uber most of the time. It has been difficult to sue Uber though.

I've had a leg immobilizer and crutches for a bit now. People keep telling me I should uber/lyft around to be more mobile but I can't easily do that. My two choices are to sit lengthwise across the back seat after a lot of work scooting in or to get in the front with the seat all the way back. Both will annoy a lot of drivers and trash my rating.

It's been pretty eye opening.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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It would be pretty easy to build a service to coordinate this. (And of course Uber would whine about it even though that's exactly the kind of thing they do all the time)

I would think a Whatsapp group should be sufficient.

I have personally watched Uber drivers (Not in the USA) do exactly this - lots of them in a Whatsapp group all agreeing when to disconnect their apps and turn them back on again.

In front of me. During the ride.

They definitely do this and it happens all the time. I sent my complaint about it to Uber, to only get ignored. The drivers are gaming the system and the customers get hurt. Right now, Uber is still better than taxis where I am, but I tell you the absolute second there is a decent competitor I am switching. I absolutely despise Uber.

It would be so easy to stop this. Prevent someone who turned off their phone prior to a surge, from participating in the surge price for a time window before and after.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Obvious in hindsight. This sort of thing is inevitable any time you have dumb software on one side and humans on the other side. I'm mostly a fan of these non-taxi "taxi" services, but it seems like they are slowly and painfully rediscovering why taxis ended up so regulated in the first place.

There's a lot I don't understand about Uber.

What's the Uber business case?

Is there enough profit in taxi services around the world to justify their valuation and financial losses?

Do they hope to recoup through a future monopoly? Tracking Data? Self-driving vehicle fleets?

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It’s voluntary. If it becomes unprofitable, drivers leave. If they lose money, they won’t do it. They give a share to Uber because Uber is their lead generation. Many businesses give a share of their money to Google because Google brings them business. An Uber driver can market their own business and keep all the money if they want just like a business could go out and market without using AdWords. If you are unhappy…

I know someone who drives for Uber due to the lead generation but also does jitney service on her own for people that she already knows. That way, no one else gets a cut of the revenue for leads that she had produced herself.

It's my understanding that a lot of people operate in a similar manner.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Obvious in hindsight. This sort of thing is inevitable any time you have dumb software on one side and humans on the other side. I'm mostly a fan of these non-taxi "taxi" services, but it seems like they are slowly and painfully rediscovering why taxis ended up so regulated in the first place.

Yeah, I'm mostly not a fan, now that we're a few years in. Waves of people inexperienced, untrained in shuttling people around a major metro have resulted in downtown Chicago being an utter mess compared to only a few years ago. Chicago forced cab drivers to go through a training and certification course that at least forced them to understand the major routes and grid system we're on, and every time I've been in an…

That might explain the two red light runners I've seen in the last two days with Uber stickers on their windshield. One nearly struck me and would have if I didn't slow down my approach.

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I used to think cabs were terrible drivers, but most of them (especially in heavily regulated markets) are very experienced drivers and simply disregard rules of the road that are inconvenient for them. In contrast, 'ride sharing' drivers seem to have no sense of direction, and are genuinely oblivious to the rules of the road. In short, when in either type of car, I fear for my life.

> simply disregard rules of the road that are inconvenient for them. There is a bit of a natural selection process to it. If you're a cab driver, and you keep getting into accidents, you won't be a cab driver for long. If you take no risks and are constantly late, you won't be a cab driver for long. If you have a poor sense of direction, or spacial awareness when driving, you probably won't be a driver for very long.…

I always tell folks in my car if we witness someone doing something daring and crazy on the road "hey, they did pull it off after all"

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'm mostly not a fan, now that we're a few years in. Waves of people inexperienced, untrained in shuttling people around a major metro have resulted in downtown Chicago being an utter mess compared to only a few years ago. Chicago forced cab drivers to go through a training and certification course that at least forced them to understand the major routes and grid system we're on, and every time I've been in an…

I used to think cabs were terrible drivers, but most of them (especially in heavily regulated markets) are very experienced drivers and simply disregard rules of the road that are inconvenient for them. In contrast, 'ride sharing' drivers seem to have no sense of direction, and are genuinely oblivious to the rules of the road. In short, when in either type of car, I fear for my life.

A number of studies conclude that taxi drivers have fewer accidents, per mile, than the general population - at least in the US. I've not seen studies for elsewhere, though they probably exist.
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