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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

m_mueller wrote: post #97
kristianov wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surface Book and Surface Laptop are quite good.

Aren't they roughly the same price as Macbooks?

There's no way to answer that without a bias.

It depends which Mac you feel is most comparable to the Surface Laptop, what value is placed on Touchbar (if any), what value is placed on a touchscreen (if any), how much value you place on a slightly faster integrated GPU or a slightly faster CPU (Macbook Pro 13" or Surface Laptop respectively), and numerous other metrics.

Broadly speaking I'd likely say, "similar," but there might also be a $200 saving buying the Surface Laptop relative to a similarly spec-ed Macbook Pro 13". I don't consider that a significant saving when we're discussion laptops costing over $1200, but the savings grow as price increases.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

reboog711 wrote: post #89
kristianov wrote: post #86

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Surface Book and Surface Laptop are quite good.

Just wait 6 months or so after release....

For what?

I own a Surface Pro 3 and a Surface Book. Both have only been improved through firmware updates after release. There was actually some pain points on the SP3 right around release that caused some headaches.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by paulmd »

throwaway91111 wrote: post #104
Infernal wrote: post #79

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I think you've fallen victim to Microsoft's somewhat awkward naming scheme - the Windows Subsystem for Linux is the name of the "linux subsystem in windows" that you're referring to. It's not complementary or unrelated, but the same thing.

God that's an atrocious name.

Microsoft's other official name for it is "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows". "BOUOW", it just rolls right off the tongue.

You know what they say: "there's only 2 hard problems in programming: naming things, cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors". That team appears to be particularly bad at the first.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by wvenable »

al452 wrote: post #92
sangd wrote: post #77

I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.

> I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Yes. But they are still fugly.

There are plenty of aluminum rectangle Windows machines now.

I just bought a Lenovo gaming laptop (it was an amazing deal) and I'm actually surprised that it isn't super fugly. Gaming laptops are all a bit over-the-top design-wise but Lenovo actually used a little restraint. It also came with no bloatware.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by skinnymuch »

moomin wrote: post #64
tyrw wrote: post #9

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Perhaps emulator was a poor descriptor in this case -- I haven't used it. But it is running a subset of functionality non-natively, correct?

Well, the kernel API is implemented using the (rather undocumented) internal API. But so is the published Windows API. What it's literally not is Linux. However, you might want to call it GNU/Windows if you enjoyed watching people have seizures.

Haha. I almost spit my drink out imagining saying GNU/Windows to a specific friend.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by dman »

wentoodeep wrote: post #55
tyrw wrote: post #2

In my experience, emulators are never quite the same as the real deal. Has anyone used this, and if so how was it?

I've been using this for back-end dev since 14.04 distro (lastest update is xenial). Quite stable and very fast, no emulator or vm come close to WSL. Best gift from MS to devs after VS.

Does using the system change power consumption / battery life?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by hsitz »

al452 wrote: post #99
zionic wrote: post #88

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What happened? Did apple simultaneously fire all of it's hardware team along with it's QA dept? (we know the 2nd one happened). I love apple, but it feels like they have a CEO who's running it in "latter years" mode. Zero risk, minimize cost everywhere, maximize profit even if it results in absurd cash piles... This is what you get when bean counters run tech companies.

I kind of agree, but feel a need to point out that the "absurd cash piles" are a byproduct of tax rules, not of (alleged) timidity on the part of Cook et al.

What tax rule are you talking about? The cash in the "absurd pile" has already been taxed as income.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by phr4ts »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #98
bradleyjg wrote: post #84

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Which laptop manufactures have you found to be as reliable and well put together as macbooks? I haven't had too much luck with dells or lenovos.

If you stick to the boring Thinkpads (T series and P series) they're fairly safe bets. Some of Dell's business grade laptops are also built like tanks. Neither company's consumer grade (read: cheap) I'd touch. Microsoft makes good hardware, but you'll pay borderline "Apple Prices" for it. Only big mistake Microsoft has made is trying to ship the Surface Laptop starting at $999 and topping out at $2199, with Windows 1…

Yes it's annoying but forgivable when you consider that MS's first priority with its Surface Line is to run a profitable tech demo rather than competing its own foremost customers - Dell, HP...
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