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Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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I hope Google should 'behave' more like AT&T built unix and C rather than like Microsoft built Money. Yes, I am disappointed by this move, not because I worry about the travel industry or the potential monopoly power google is holding in its hand. I'm disappointed because Google has yet to re-define the business rules for growth. Allow me to explain. I understand that as a public company, it's Google's responsibility…

"I hope Google should 'behave' more like AT&T built unix and C." Well you have to remember more of the Unix Wars of the 80s. AT&T tried to sue everybody who had any dialect of Unix. The main thing that stopped that was showing that many of the code segments shared by BSD Unix and SysV Unix were due to AT&T lifting code from BSD (not the other way around). Plus in that era people started removing the C compiler from Unix distros as it was "too valuable" to give away. A very different world than now.

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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post #111

I hope Google should 'behave' more like AT&T built unix and C rather than like Microsoft built Money. Yes, I am disappointed by this move, not because I worry about the travel industry or the potential monopoly power google is holding in its hand. I'm disappointed because Google has yet to re-define the business rules for growth. Allow me to explain. I understand that as a public company, it's Google's responsibility…

"I hope Google should 'behave' more like AT&T built unix and C." Well you have to remember more of the Unix Wars of the 80s. AT&T tried to sue everybody who had any dialect of Unix. The main thing that stopped that was showing that many of the code segments shared by BSD Unix and SysV Unix were due to AT&T lifting code from BSD (not the other way around). Plus in that era people started removing the C compiler from U…

"AT&T tried to sue everybody who had any dialect of Unix."

Perhaps. They started with BSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_v._BSDi), suing the initial commercial BSD vendor and the university proper. They utterly lost when it was shown they hadn't followed the BSD license with BSD code they'd incorpated in their own versions, that had been licensed to others and that were used for their own operations (they were thrown a face saving bone in the settlement that required a relative handful of BSD files to be re-written, but were otherwise skunked).

I'm not sure why they stopped doing this, although it's telling that Novell bought UNIX(TM) in the middle of the year in which AT&T settled with Berkeley.

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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I work at ITA on QPX, the airfare search engine. We've been doing those sorts of radius searches for years, although we don't currently integrate street-level data for any customers that I know of. Head to http://matrix2.itasoftware.com , put in where you are, then click "Nearby" - the default is 50 miles, even! Then ask for a calendar of lowest fares. You can even tell it "I want to stay 2-5 nights". Many of our cus…

From the page you linked: Note: Tickets cannot be purchased directly from ITA Software. If you find a fare you like, you can give the information from this site to your travel agent or airline when making a booking. This is a deal breaker. I do not want to contact travel agent OR airline customer rep for booking my tickets. I want to find the best fare, enter my credit card and be done. Also, why should Travel Agent…

Given the detailed info from an ITA search result, any travel agent can book that exact fare, or determine that it has sold out. All those obscure codes do mean something!

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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post #55

> Today, almost half of all airline tickets are sold online. FEWER THAN HALF? Serious question: Who is buying the others, and where?

Also, package tours and cruises often include airline tickets and they are usually still booked through travel agents (or via the operator's website which I doubt counts as online airline sales).

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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post #44

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I work at ITA on QPX, the airfare search engine. We've been doing those sorts of radius searches for years, although we don't currently integrate street-level data for any customers that I know of. Head to http://matrix2.itasoftware.com , put in where you are, then click "Nearby" - the default is 50 miles, even! Then ask for a calendar of lowest fares. You can even tell it "I want to stay 2-5 nights". Many of our cus…

This search engine is actually pretty nice since you can see which dates are the cheapest. But there is still this fundamental flaw: I need hopefully need to fly to Salt Lake City in Febuary and I'm staying for about 1-2 months - I search for "Iceland -> Salt lake city" for 50 nights => $2,441 (many dates) - I search for "Iceland -> New York" for 50 nights => $454 (many dates) - I search for "New York -> Salt Lake Ci…

Doing these kinds of searches is the next great business opportunity in online travel. When you buy a flight ticket, what the airline is really selling is a fare - a pre-made package of one or more flights, on one or more partner airlines, with specific restrictions and price. QPX (and all other flight search engines) don't search specific flights - they search fares.

If you miss a connecting flight, you will be re-booked on the next flight, but it all stays within the context of your fare. Not so if you split up your journey into two distinct tickets. However, a lot of people won't mind this.

In your example, you can split up your travel dates, and use part of the $1600 you saved to stay a few days in New York. I like to do exactly this - the cheapest trans-Atlantic flights are offered by charter airlines from London, and I like to make time for a few days stay there when flying from continental Europe.

Not a big chance of missing your next flight with that kind of window. Even if you know you are going to miss the next flight, with most airlines (but very rarely with charters) you can re-book up to an hour or so before boarding, for a fee that may be less than the difference in ticket prices you would have paid anyway.

This also works for round-trip flights. I often book round-trip flights as two different tickets. A lot of the time it is cheaper, but it also offers more flexibility (remember, you have to pay change fee and ticket price differences - and the airline might only have expensive fares available!) in case you want to change one of the departure or return flights (but obviously not both, as then you're paying 2x the change fees).

Of course, what I haven't said yet is how difficult this will be to pull off. Any travel company that does this will be boycotted by all major airlines. Many fares you're bound to buy this way are sold at a loss (better to sell for something than have an 80% empty plane flying and get nothing is one way to put it; there really is no easy way to price flights - most airlines have teams of math and OR PhDs working on pricing). The multi-flight fares usually have a larger margin tacked on.

The only way to solve this problem is really to nuke the existing fare system and start over. As long as "flagship" airlines keep getting bailed out by the government, they will be able to undercut the competition (and themselves) into bankruptcy with the irrational fare arrangements.

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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post #33

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Unlikely that they will go away from lisp. They are heavy users of SBCL (performance) and CCL (fast compile) and have some interesting fraction of a million lines of lisp code and might just be one of the larger employers of lisp programmers. See http://danweinreb.org/blog/the-failure-of-lisp-a-reply-to-br...

It also isn't a "location based application that lets you casually hookup with your friends" that used to be acquired in droves 2005-2008. This is a serious and existing, profitable business with a serious and scalable technology platform and experienced talent. Not just ambitious and smart college kids getting a slightly higher hiring bonus (not that there's anything wrong with that). The critical infrastructure pie…

"The critical infrastructure pieces (where GC is an issue) are already in C++."

When did this happen? From what I heard last, C++ was just the data importer that dumped everything into mmapped buffers which SBCL worked on.

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also isn't a "location based application that lets you casually hookup with your friends" that used to be acquired in droves 2005-2008. This is a serious and existing, profitable business with a serious and scalable technology platform and experienced talent. Not just ambitious and smart college kids getting a slightly higher hiring bonus (not that there's anything wrong with that). The critical infrastructure pie…

"The critical infrastructure pieces (where GC is an issue) are already in C++." When did this happen? From what I heard last, C++ was just the data importer that dumped everything into mmapped buffers which SBCL worked on.

Data importers, pieces that deal directly with RAC, sound like critical infrastructure where GC is an issue.

I didn't mean critical computation, query and logic components. Perhaps "infrastructure" was too vague.

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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we should add ruby to that.

We really shouldn't.

If you (or someone else) wouldn't mind taking the time to explain it, I'd really like to know why your unsupported and vaguely anti-Ruby statement is so popular. I'm assuming that it means that the problems with Ruby are so widely known that you don't even need to spell them out in order for people to agree with you, but I guess I didn't get the memo. Why "really shouldn't" we? (Serious question - thanks.)

Re: Google agrees to buy ITA Software for $700 million

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gigantic move in the travel industry ITA runs behind the scenes at Orbitz and many other OTA's. saying it could cause problems for major players in the market would be an understatement. (I'm a former Orbitz and Cheaptickets engineer, as well as tech advisor to some travel startups)

Good, having dealt first hand with the terrible data companies like Worldspand and Sabre provide in there xml's I really hope they stick it to em. Not bitter at all, hmmmm

Maybe you just had trouble understanding english.
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