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Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by mrtksn »

batuhanicoz wrote: post #105
mustaflex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did play a message from Ergodan when you call any number but only for clients of 2 mobile operators: Turkcell and Vodafone. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/telefonla-konusmak-isteyenlere-er... Link in turkish but it confirms what this post says.

Which is even more interesting, considering there are only 3 real real (not a MVNO) operators in Turkey and only one not playing this message is Turk Telekom. A company that was founded by the government, even now partially owned by the government.

The biggest private shareholder of the Turk Telekom is the Saudi Arabian Oger Telecom.

Maybe they did not play ball because of the Qatar crisis?

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

matt4077 wrote: post #99
noncoml wrote: post #45

I wonder how would things have been if Turket had been accepted to EU 10 years ago. Would it have helped?

Yes, almost certainly. They wouldn't have had to become a member back then. All that was needed was a realistic path to membership. Instead, some influential EU leaders basically said "It's never going to happen", sometimes under pressure from their countries' right wing. Not because Turkey was economically too far behind, or because of concerns with the rule of law, but simply because a sizeable portion of EU popula…

The biggest mistake of the EU has been accepting too many countries in, not too few.

For an Europeanist it's desperating to see how the UK (now to be gone) and Eastern European countries have always blocked policies of further integration.

If Turkey were in and with veto power, the EU would be able to do practically nothing, as the cultural and political differences are huge. The EU would probably be on the verge of breaking up now, or would have already broken up at the Greek crisis.

And the story of the "moderate" Erdogan turning an authoritarian dictator after being "humiliated" sounds extremely naive to me. The things he is doing are not the work of a humiliated moderate. They are the work of an authoritarian for whom the alleged humiliation was a very convenient excuse to stop pretending to be a moderate.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by buremba »

sesqu wrote: post #101
buremba wrote: post #72

Even if you stop watching TV, reading newspapers and following the political people on social media and avoid discussing political news with people, you can't escape from him and his followers. They will force you to believe what they believe and if you don't, they will flag you and also make you listen their leader no matter what you do to avoid their propaganda. Even though I believe that the leaders of Gulenist gr…

> Gulenist group did the coup attempt Has the government provided convincing evidence of this? I know Gülen was immediately accused despite not being in the country, but I don't know of any evidence of his audience being involved beyond Erdoğan not getting along with the guy, which automatically makes any opposition sympathetic to him.

Their media was clearly inferring that they will fix the problem in a near future and this was the only way for them to get rid of the pressure. They spent their last 15 years to raise police officers, soldiers, doctors and primary school teachers and the government was helping them since they thought that the Gulenists will obey their rules and share their mission by oppressing their non-supporters.

Basically Erdogan took a religious group and made them political and when they had the power, they used it against the government and Erdogan just got away with the accusations with "We were tricked by Gulenists, they're terrorist", nothing more.

Although Gulen still doesn't accept that they did the coup attempt, this was the only way for them to out and even this one was actually hopeless. They have a great hierarchic system so it's hard to keep track of the decision-maker and prove the case so there is no clear evidence, that's why I told "I believe". It's possible that Erdogan knew the coup attempt and yet wait for them (or even convince with third-party organizations) to do it so that we can declare them terrorist without a doubt and do whatever he wants with his followers' support.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by ai_ja_nai »

exabrial wrote: post #34

Why are they a NATO country again

Because of EU influence: Turkey acts like a bottle cap to seal the wave of refugees coming from ISIS war. That's why they are tolerated. EU gave Turkey a lot of money to keep the refugees, fleeing from Middle East wars, away from entering en masse in Europe.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by pavlov »

kbody wrote: post #19

"As president, I send congratulations on the July 15 National Day of Democracy and Unity and wish the martyrs mercy and the heroes (of the defeat of the coup) health and wellbeing," Source: https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/36394050/mr-president-erdo...

Martyrs and heroes -- the core elements of unabashed propaganda.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by eru »

rdtsc wrote: post #37

For a additional level of scary allow people to opt out but record who they are and compile a list. Use the list to deny them services or imprison when the next overthrow is attempted."You've been protesting and we noticed you blocked messages from our glorious leader... clearly a candidate for the labor camp"

That's what the UK does with their anti-porn policy. (At least the first part.)

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by eru »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #112
matt4077 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, almost certainly. They wouldn't have had to become a member back then. All that was needed was a realistic path to membership. Instead, some influential EU leaders basically said "It's never going to happen", sometimes under pressure from their countries' right wing. Not because Turkey was economically too far behind, or because of concerns with the rule of law, but simply because a sizeable portion of EU popula…

The biggest mistake of the EU has been accepting too many countries in, not too few. For an Europeanist it's desperating to see how the UK (now to be gone) and Eastern European countries have always blocked policies of further integration. If Turkey were in and with veto power, the EU would be able to do practically nothing, as the cultural and political differences are huge. The EU would probably be on the verge of…

Depends on where you put your counterfactuals. It is true that once countries are in the EU, the EU has almost no leverage. That happened with Bulgaria and Rumania.

If you imagine a world where Turkey was in the EU, you might as well through in some mechanisms for more leverage on existing members?

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by eru »

enimodas wrote: post #104
matt4077 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, almost certainly. They wouldn't have had to become a member back then. All that was needed was a realistic path to membership. Instead, some influential EU leaders basically said "It's never going to happen", sometimes under pressure from their countries' right wing. Not because Turkey was economically too far behind, or because of concerns with the rule of law, but simply because a sizeable portion of EU popula…

Why should they accept a country that's not in Europe for 95% of its landmass? Not to mention the huge cultural gap.

The borders of Europe the continent are arbitrary.

Cultural gap between eg members Sweden and Italy is probably bigger than between member Greece and Turkey?

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by jballanc »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #51
sremani wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not Lucky, Location, Location and Location is very important for Geo-politics.

But it's not like the Turkish people, or government, got to look at the 2017 world map and place a claim marker. It's 100% luck.

If you think that it's "luck" that Turkey's location on the map is important in 2017, you should go back and look at the history of the region. Istanbul has been one of the major focal points of world history for literally 7000 years. Ottomans, Romans, Greeks, Persians, and even Celts (yes, those Celts) have ruled over or passed through the region. Hell, the place where "history" was invented is even in modern Turkey.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it.

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