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Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by ThomPete »

pmichaud wrote: post #29
ThomPete wrote: post #21

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How can a vegan diet be more balanced? It lacks diversity which as far as I understand is the primary foundation for good healthy diet. Many different things in not too much quantity.

Strictly speaking vegan is obviously a more limited subset of omnivore. But in a practical sense, it would surprise me if vegans didn't have more variety in their diet. I was vegetarian for almost a decade, basically my 20s, and what became clear immediately was that I had to figure out different stuff to eat. Default food wouldn't work anymore, so I have to branch out a lot and find foods that I would've never thoug…

But in the context of this article, the point was simply that if you eat more or less anything you will get most of the different general food types you need (salad, protein, fibers, carbs) and thus you will most likely get what you need.

Vegans trying to find substitutes for some of those general food types doesn't mean they end up being more diverse just that they have to look at more alternatives but the body doesn't really care if you eat iceberg and romain and baby spinach it cares that you eat fibers and protein and minerals.

I am not an expert it just seems to me that by not excluding things from your diet like meat you are getting a for much less (eating meat gives you not just protein but ex. iron)

Things that other protein substitutes doesn't necessarily give you.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by cmpxchg8b »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #69
cmpxchg8b wrote: post #50

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I starting working in games in the early 2000s. The first game I worked on (Black & White) had me working 16-20 hour days, 6-7 days a week for 9 months. It destroyed my health and turned me into an agoraphobic for at least a year, with related conditions lasting much longer. I've seen people have to check into mental health institutions after shipping games. At one place I worked, there was a "crack board", where the…

Do employers ever get sued for having an abusive work culture?

Never seen it happen. I even had a car crash due to the pressure of insane hours.

Companies just love "externalised cost". Screw the lives of the employees, environment, etc. Society is pretty broken.

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Post by charlesdm »

sdenton4 wrote: post #109
pferde wrote: post #81

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Yes, and all those non-animal foodstuffs are available also to normal people, in addition to additional foodstuffs which come from animals. Vegan diet is less diverse by definition, as they merely limit themselves, they do not eat anything non-vegans can't. Simple maths.

You're confusing there space of possibilities with the space of what's actually consumed. An omnivore's diet is not more diverse if they only eat pepperoni pizza.

I'm not vegan, but isn't it possible to live healthy, as a vegan?

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by dgacmu »

simonsarris wrote: post #12
weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

> The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat

First off, B12 is important, but most vegan milk-substitute things have 25% or 50% of the US RDA of B12 per serving. Not all - a lot of almond milk isn't supplemented with B12 (to which i grumble). They're often also iron-supplemented. Here, for example, is the nutrition label for Silk Organic Unsweetened Soy Milk:

https://silk.com/sites/default/files/products/nutrition/SK_2...

Note the vitamin D and calcium in there as well. The FDA is generally clever about the requirements they put on things -- the potential for such deficiencies is well-known, and so is addressed at a few places.

Creatine isn't a necessary nutrient - our kidneys and livers synthesize it.

Finally, I, at least get a lot of "zing" in my diet by being creative about what we cook. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Zinc, however, you should pay attention to, but eating a diversity of beans and nuts (and tofu) covers it quite well.

Seriously, though: It's not hard to have the bases covered. If you're really concerned and not just concern-trolling, sit down with your friends and a copy of Cron-o-Meter, which is one of the most comprehensive meal nutrition profilers around. It's what I used when figuring out the overall layout for our family's meals, and it did lead me to a few cheats -- like favoring molasses as a sweetener, throwing flaxseed in place of part of the flour in a bunch of recipes, etc., to make sure we were hitting all the targets. Useful software.

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Post by cperciva »

lostlogin wrote: post #87
cperciva wrote: post #73

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You could sunbathe naked in Vancouver for six months a year and not get enough vitamin D.

I had a look, and while that's an exaggeration it's certainly hard to get enough of it in winter. In summer in Calgary it's 600IU per min while in winter it takes 2 hours 42 minutes to get that much. http://purenorth.ca/vitamin-d-your-health/how-much-do-i-need...

That calculator is assuming "midday sun", which doesn't last for very long. (Also, I've been told that 1500 IU/day is what I should aim for.)

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by akg_67 »

screye wrote: post #30
simonsarris wrote: post #12

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Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. The move away from Milk products & Eggs seems to open a huge nutrient gap that the vegan population hasn't adequately identified how to fill.

Actually, there are higher incident of B12 deficiency in Indian vegetarians as found by a study done in late 90s (sorry I don't have specific reference).

Indians dont have a practice of regular/ preventive doctor visits, annual checkup and diagnostic testing. They only go to doctor when there are significant medical issues. So these issues are not found until they morph into bigger problems.

I have a quite a few younger cousins who died in their 30's. Not a single one ever was tested for cholesterol despite poor eating habits and obesity.

Recently I noticed a few startups in India focusing on diagnostic testing. But their user base seems to still be elderly than young people.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by cmpxchg8b »

Havoc wrote: post #95
majewsky wrote: post #39

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Then why are you doing it? Serious question. Is the pay so far above average that it's justified to sacrifice your health, or is the job market too tight to get a less cruel job?

>Then why are you doing it? Planning on getting out before the next cycle of crazy hours. But to answer the question - various reasons. It facilitated a relocation to Europe. Rapid career progression to managerial level. Control over what projects I want to do. Multiple rounds of overseas assignments. Minimal supervision. Exposure to new things in a notoriously secretive industry. Pay is decent too, but that's not re…

By the time you get to coast stress may well have taken its toll physically and mentally.

Enjoy your health while you have it, it's far more enjoyable than a few more coins in the bank.

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Post by mistersquid »

agumonkey wrote: post #77
weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

tiny warning: if you take iron supplement, you'll shit black (or a very dark shade of gray). Do not panic.

Same is true for Pepto Bismol.

Someone I knew took some extra strength Pepto Bismol to treat an upset stomach and diarrhea. Her stool ended up turning black, which I advised is a sign of intestinal bleeding.

She went to the emergency room and learned that bismuth, the active ingredient in Pepto Bismol, can temporarily turn stool black. [0]

[0] https://www.pepto-bismol.com/en-us/faq/black-stool-black-ton...

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