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Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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The cherry on top is the history of eugenics in the US, with forced sterilizations extending into the 1970's (!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#... It's a chilling read, not for the faint of heart.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14613088 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is justice served? Uber has done a tremendous amount of really shitty things. And for most of it, there has been no "justice" served. Furthermore, you're taking it as a given that Uber flagrantly violating local laws in order to launch ridesharing is a good thing, but not everybody will agree with that.

Many people who had a better option than driving drunk will do. Many parents who wait for their kids to get home safe after parties will agree. The social good done is way higher to totally justify using some shady software to evade authorities. Ignoring sexual harassment complain was a huge mistake. But pretty much everyone involved was fired , an investigation by holder was carried out and most of his suggestions a…

What you describe is something that literally any car-sharing company anywhere provides, including taxis. This does not even remotely mean that "justice" has been served for any of the atrocities Uber has committed.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #102

All this Uber talk is making me dizzy. Yeah, sure, Uber is a shitty company but there are tons of them. This disproportional attention to Uber is blindsiding everyone to a lot of them. Maybe, someone should also check out Lyft for their employee treatment, company culture, and business practices. Because, apparently, they are the good guys and a lot of people are switching to them.

While I do agree with you that a couple of Uber stories everyday with no real extra info are a bit too much, let's not put everyone in the same basket.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #101

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Fun fact: The Nazis looked to American Eugenics and race purity laws as an inspiration. It was only after the horrors of WW2 came out that the US rejected these policies.

that doesn't sound like a "fact". I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that I don't believe you until you provide a source, i.e. some nazi expounding on how they never would have had the idea for racial purity if it hadn't been for america.

I took “looked to American...laws for inspiration” not to mean they got the idea to care about racial purity from America (it was globally a common idea for millenia before the Nazis, and remains common today) but that, in terms of concrete policy to realize those pre-existing concernd, the racial laws of the US at the time were among the sources they consulted for ideas.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people who had a better option than driving drunk will do. Many parents who wait for their kids to get home safe after parties will agree. The social good done is way higher to totally justify using some shady software to evade authorities. Ignoring sexual harassment complain was a huge mistake. But pretty much everyone involved was fired , an investigation by holder was carried out and most of his suggestions a…

What you describe is something that literally any car-sharing company anywhere provides, including taxis. This does not even remotely mean that "justice" has been served for any of the atrocities Uber has committed.

You are ignoring the fact that regulations which protected taxis would not allow ride sharing companies like uber or lyft to exist. Uber made it possible to have those car sharing companies.Taxis are awful in so many cities. It is impossible to expect quick pick-up in cities like buffalo,NY. Many worse things happen in loads of companies . They get away with it because media is not interested. I totally believe the massive upheaval more than makes up for their mistakes.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that doesn't sound like a "fact". I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that I don't believe you until you provide a source, i.e. some nazi expounding on how they never would have had the idea for racial purity if it hadn't been for america.

I took “looked to American...laws for inspiration” not to mean they got the idea to care about racial purity from America (it was globally a common idea for millenia before the Nazis, and remains common today) but that, in terms of concrete policy to realize those pre-existing concernd, the racial laws of the US at the time were among the sources they consulted for ideas.

without any sort of concrete evidence that the national socialists were actively modeling their policies after US policy, I have no reason to believe this either. Two countries can have backwards policies without one having been "inspiration" for the other.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #87

There's a very good read in HBR today on the fact that Uber's business model is predicated on illegality. Thought provoking read. https://hbr.org/2017/06/uber-cant-be-fixed-its-time-for-regu...

Is there any example of a city/state government getting an exorbitant amount from Uber for violation of a statute regarding taxis? I imagine if one were to do it, many others would follow - everyone's looking for a buck.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is justice served? Uber has done a tremendous amount of really shitty things. And for most of it, there has been no "justice" served. Furthermore, you're taking it as a given that Uber flagrantly violating local laws in order to launch ridesharing is a good thing, but not everybody will agree with that.

Many people who had a better option than driving drunk will do. Many parents who wait for their kids to get home safe after parties will agree. The social good done is way higher to totally justify using some shady software to evade authorities. Ignoring sexual harassment complain was a huge mistake. But pretty much everyone involved was fired , an investigation by holder was carried out and most of his suggestions a…

All of those things could have done without systematically breaking the law at every turn.

We shouldn't let corporations unilaterally decide which regulations they want to follow; if they think some laws are unfair they should work to change them through the democratic process like the rest of us.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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This is perhaps the most important claim made by Waymo since the initial filing. Waymo had already built up a preponderance of evidence that Levandowski knowingly and intentionally stole their information. There's no way he's dancing out of that at this point. But up until now, they haven't provided any evidence or, I believe, made the claim that Uber knew what was up, which puts them in the awkward position of suing someone (Uber) who may have had nothing to do with Levandowski's crime. There was lots of innuendo (Travis Kalanick took many long walks at night with Levandowski, with the discussions totally undocumented) but no smoking gun. However, if they can demonstrate to a jury that Uber execs definitely knew what Levandowski did and ignored it, that's the sort of thing that changes this lawsuit from an expensive distraction into an existential threat to Uber's self-driving car business.

Re: Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Google info

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post #87

There's a very good read in HBR today on the fact that Uber's business model is predicated on illegality. Thought provoking read. https://hbr.org/2017/06/uber-cant-be-fixed-its-time-for-regu...

This is one of the dumber articles I've read on Uber. I don't think the author has used cabs much and is just theorizing. In a mid-size American city, I've had cabs cancel on me around half the times I've called them, leaving me stranded. I've been through an experience where someone with a fake taxi license fleeced me charging me 3X with physical intimidation. I know someone who was robbed at gunpoint by his fake cab driver. The author misrepresents the taxi industry as some sort of a philanthropic order of saints. The only times cabs have been reliable for me are when going to and from airports.

Uber is fundamentally different from regulated taxis. Also, there's no moral framework for the taxi-related regulations (medallion, commercial insurance, etc.). They're both a relic of an age that has passed and a prime example of regulatory capture.

It is worth noting that the byline for the article states this:

> Benjamin Edelman is an associate professor at Harvard Business School and an adviser to various companies that compete against major platforms

I wonder what 'major platforms'.

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