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Re: Atom 1.18 released

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Post by protonfish »

ssijak wrote: post #43

I really wanted Atom to work. But in the end, it is just to damn slow, takes too much memory, and hogs on large files. Now, I find vscode to be very much what I need for javascript/typescript/html/css work.

I find my Atom is plenty fast, as long as I don't bloat it with too many (and the wrong kinds) of plugins. The large file problems were almost a deal-breaker for me but then I switched to the latest beta and that fixed those problems.

That said, I am not 100% sold on it yet. The killer feature of Atom.io for me is that it is cross-platform. For most developers that shouldn't matter but have been working on some platform-agnostic web development tutorials and for that use case, there really isn't any valid alternative.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#112

Post by LiquidFlux »

Hamuko wrote: post #107
SippinLean wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>with bad interfaces VS Code's interface is nearly identical to Sublime's, with some nice sugar in places that are helpful (optional GUI for keybindings and extensions). For debugging and version control VS Code's interface OOTB is leaps and bounds above Sublime's. >VS Code takes up 235 MB Meh I have 16GB of RAM on my old computer. Or do you actually just mean HDD space? Who cares about 200MB in that regard?

VS Code's interface is a garbage Metro (or whatever Microsoft is calling it today) implementation with sidebar hell from Office. >Who cares about 200MB in that regard? Who cares about anything? Just use everything you have. CPU, RAM, battery life and so on. These things are free for the developer. Is VS Code actually seven times better and/or complex compared to Sublime Text that it actually needs to use the addition…

Electron is the reason you're getting these kind of desktop applications built in the first place, it's opened up an entire portal of developers to catering to your needs.

It may not be the ultimate solution to the problem with regards to things such as performance, but these are irrelevant if the application were to never be built in the alternative.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#113

Post by arghwhat »

uranian wrote: post #102
guessmyname wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

> $70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. Maybe on a slow pc, but with Atom on my macbook pro I have no performance issues at all period. I code 8+ hours a day (for many years), and no my fan is not spinning all the time because of Atom. I have 16Gb ram, have multiple apps open at the same time, Chrome with 30+ tabs, listen music via youtube, etc.. I was a long time Sublime user, but the $70 they'r…

Top of the line MacBook Pro, freshly installed with only Sublime Text and Atom side by side shows a very, very clear performance difference. I have a fetish for clean machines, so it's an "experiment" that repeats itself quite often for me.

Don't get me wrong - I use Atom quite often. However, stating that it does not jave performance issues is just wrong. Period.

Atom needs to do a metric fuckton more work (webengine, remember?) to move the cursor than Sublime, and thus it has severe keystroke lag. Whether you're okay with it or even notice is something entirely different.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#114

Post by Hamuko »

protonfish wrote: post #111
ssijak wrote: post #43

I really wanted Atom to work. But in the end, it is just to damn slow, takes too much memory, and hogs on large files. Now, I find vscode to be very much what I need for javascript/typescript/html/css work.

I find my Atom is plenty fast, as long as I don't bloat it with too many (and the wrong kinds) of plugins. The large file problems were almost a deal-breaker for me but then I switched to the latest beta and that fixed those problems. That said, I am not 100% sold on it yet. The killer feature of Atom.io for me is that it is cross-platform. For most developers that shouldn't matter but have been working on some platf…

Cross-platform support is not a rare thing for text editors. Even Sublime Text is cross-platform and it does it without bundling an entire browser inside the package.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#115

Post by wyldfire »

xiljin wrote: post #19
ainar-g wrote: post #4

Please, don't consider this a troll question (I personally am a vim kind of guy), but is there any reason to use Atom over VSCode these days? The sole reason to me seems that VSCode is developed by the "evil" Microsoft. Other than that, most people I know who tried Atom switched to VSCode or (back to) Sublime in the end.

For me, also a VIM kind of guy, Atom lets me use VIM movement keys in the file/project pane which grants me total mouse freedom. Another Atom bonus is that file additions, deletions and changes are flagged in the file/project pane.

> Atom lets me use VIM movement keys

Really!? That's neat, I didn't know that one. So it makes it modal, like you have to do 'i' to change to insert mode?

Movement keys, but what about editing? I frequently use 'y'ank and 'p'aste, 'C'hange/'c'hange un't'il.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

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Post by baby »

gustavoluz wrote: post #67
baby wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the big difference between VScode and Atom? Why would I move to a fork?

VScode is not an Atom fork. It's only built on the same tech (Electron)

Really? For some reason I really thought it was a fork of Atom. How does it compare then?

Re: Atom 1.18 released

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Post by SippinLean »

Hamuko wrote: post #107
SippinLean wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>with bad interfaces VS Code's interface is nearly identical to Sublime's, with some nice sugar in places that are helpful (optional GUI for keybindings and extensions). For debugging and version control VS Code's interface OOTB is leaps and bounds above Sublime's. >VS Code takes up 235 MB Meh I have 16GB of RAM on my old computer. Or do you actually just mean HDD space? Who cares about 200MB in that regard?

VS Code's interface is a garbage Metro (or whatever Microsoft is calling it today) implementation with sidebar hell from Office. >Who cares about 200MB in that regard? Who cares about anything? Just use everything you have. CPU, RAM, battery life and so on. These things are free for the developer. Is VS Code actually seven times better and/or complex compared to Sublime Text that it actually needs to use the addition…

All vague overly general misrepresentations of the very specific points I made. I think the other "DAE Electron is bad?" comments can suffice without you adding.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#118

Post by enzanki_ars »

wyldfire wrote: post #115
xiljin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, also a VIM kind of guy, Atom lets me use VIM movement keys in the file/project pane which grants me total mouse freedom. Another Atom bonus is that file additions, deletions and changes are flagged in the file/project pane.

> Atom lets me use VIM movement keys Really!? That's neat, I didn't know that one. So it makes it modal, like you have to do 'i' to change to insert mode? Movement keys, but what about editing? I frequently use 'y'ank and 'p'aste, 'C'hange/'c'hange un't'il.

Check out https://atom.io/packages/vim-mode-plus (fork of the deprecated vim-mode plugin) plus https://atom.io/packages/ex-mode or https://atom.io/packages/vim-mode-plus-ex-mode, if you want to use the `:` key.

These do a good job of providing VIM mode, but I just learned about the file/project pane vim mode. Will try that out latter.

You will have to do some config changes if you want the commands from other plugins to feel more natural in vim-mode.

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Sidenote: I love vim, and use Atom for certain types of projects, but the vim-mode in Atom just never felt right, so I don't use it any more. Now that I know about some of the other neat things it can do, plus the ex-mode support, I might go back to using it again. The second I start using vim mode, I naturally start thinking I am in vim itself, and commands like `:wq` are muscle memory. Hate it when there is a commit message with `:wq` at the end, or I run the program and a crash occurs because of a rogue `:wq`.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#119

Post by [deleted] »

uranian wrote: post #102
guessmyname wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

> $70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. Maybe on a slow pc, but with Atom on my macbook pro I have no performance issues at all period. I code 8+ hours a day (for many years), and no my fan is not spinning all the time because of Atom. I have 16Gb ram, have multiple apps open at the same time, Chrome with 30+ tabs, listen music via youtube, etc.. I was a long time Sublime user, but the $70 they'r…

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Re: Atom 1.18 released

#120

Post by fulafel »

ainar-g wrote: post #4

Please, don't consider this a troll question (I personally am a vim kind of guy), but is there any reason to use Atom over VSCode these days? The sole reason to me seems that VSCode is developed by the "evil" Microsoft. Other than that, most people I know who tried Atom switched to VSCode or (back to) Sublime in the end.

How is the Clojure support on VSCode?
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