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Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Does it make having "Uber" in your Career Profile look bad now? Even if someone wants to genuinely switch job within next few month out of Uber, It would raise eyebrows at next interview table. So Uber gonna have very mall attrition rate now. Every action has both side of coin. :)

Depending on where you are, it already has been. I recruited a friend recently who worked for Uber two jobs ago , and got objections at multiple levels (pulled them through because I knew they left Uber originally due to ethical objections and could speak to that directly). At this point having it in your job history needs to be addressed in your e-mail/cover letter.

What company is that so I know to avoid it? Sounds like you should get out of there.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Yours is an interesting comment because of its paradoxical nature. You seem to be implying that you yourself "don't care", but then say that those that don't care don't comment, and yet here you are commenting, which would imply that you do indeed care. But then, you only care enough to say you don't care, and that there are "many more" people like you. But I don't see anyone else saying "hey, we don't care" on this…

I'll help solve the paradox. "Don't care" can refer to at least 3 things: 1. don't care that there is sexual harassment at Uber 2. don't care about sexual harassment like that occurred at Uber 3. don't care that other people think most people care My comment is about those that check off all 3. They are the majority, and they don't comment. For me, I only check off #1 and #2, hence the comment.

Why would do care whether other people think most people care? What makes this special? You are not posting similar comments under other articles.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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That's why you list references from your last job and people call them to see what kind of person you were while there.

You never list references from your last job. You don't want your future company to call your current company to give them a heads up that you are leaving. For this very same reason, companies never ask for reference from your current job.

In the UK, you tend to get an offer conditional on references, and you only provide them once you've given notice to your current place.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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>Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage. Jesus. They are still people. You want to ostracize them from all society and prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career? 'Sexual harassment' is also a catch-all term that can encompass all kinds of actions. It could involve a clueless, inexperienced 20-something asking…

As a manager, if you have a clueless 20-year old making an inappropriate proposition to one of your reports, and you hear about it, you are legally obligated to deal with the situation. It could mean reprimands, demotions, pay cuts, and re-assignment. It could mean termination. Harassment happens in every single company. The difference between companies is whether or not management takes the problem seriously. I assu…

>As a manager, if you have a clueless 20-year old making an inappropriate proposition to one of your reports, and you hear about it, you are legally obligated to deal with the situation. It could mean reprimands, demotions, pay cuts, and re-assignment. It could mean termination.

Sure. I don't disagree with that, even the termination. But I hate the idea of now treating these individuals as modern equivalent of 'untouchables'. OP used incredibly ugly words to describe people he has no clue about, and implicitly advocated for not hiring them.

>I assure you, batch-firing 20 people for sexual harassment out of 6,700 is not normal.

12,000. It's a big company.

>t means that there has been a consistent pattern of management not dealing with harassment

Except we don't know what it means, do we. It could be that they fired a bunch of people to make a PR statement. Or not.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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I have the exact opposite experience- most of the people I know here in the bay area embrace "funemployment" by having a break between leaving their jobs and getting a new one. At a minimum I wouldn't use it as a heuristic for whether the person is hirable or not.

The "funemployment" part is true, but that's usually after they secured a job and plan on starting with a bit of a break. Otherwise their "funemployment" would be plagued with job interviews and prep.

I've left all of my previous posts without anything lined up and taken a few months. Even once in to the interview cycle at the end, it's a lot more relaxing (and flexible) than doing them while employed!

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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I ask that about Twitter - these companies always seem to have more than I would expect necessary.

i think you underestimate the massive amount of backend and internal optimization that's required. Sure, the MVP of Twitter is a few thousand lines of code, but think about ad buying, ad display, abuse detection, customer service, content management, APIs, mobile, mobile web, etc., and that's just on the engineering side of things. For every engineer you'll need business folks, PMs, designers, operations, etc.

Yet Whatsapp managed to support 500M users sending 10 billion messages/day using five mobile apps with only 50 engineers.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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I'll help solve the paradox. "Don't care" can refer to at least 3 things: 1. don't care that there is sexual harassment at Uber 2. don't care about sexual harassment like that occurred at Uber 3. don't care that other people think most people care My comment is about those that check off all 3. They are the majority, and they don't comment. For me, I only check off #1 and #2, hence the comment.

Why would do care whether other people think most people care? What makes this special? You are not posting similar comments under other articles.

That's an interesting question. I think there are pretty big bubbles that have formed in terms of ideology -- that clouds perception of the greater country/world/etc. For whatever reason, that annoys me. I don't really know why.

Other subjects, generally, don't have an ideological bubble around them.

Another user on this thread is saying I will get banned for my comment, which is a good illustration of how the problem is exacerbating.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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The article doesn't discuss the seniority of the fired employees. It's very hard to distinguish between scapegoating and actually working to fix the problem without that information. The problem with Uber isn't that some employees engage in sexual harassment. The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously, is tolerated if the perpetrators are "high performing" in other respects, a…

Um, it's not scapegoating if these people are harassing other employees. Scapegoating is when you hire underlings for projects that senior management was driving. No one forces you to harass another employee.

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Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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You should be able to do both with far fewer than 12,000 people. I suspect that the bulk of those people are doing something else.

Well, no one's stopping you from starting a competitor. Since you can do it with far fewer people, you should be profitable in no time. Good luck!

I don't think the poster was implying that they don't do anything, just that they are working on something the public doesn't know about.
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