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Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by syntheticnature »

pfooti wrote: post #91

The unclear thing here is: what is going to happen to hangouts on personal accounts? I use google hangouts on my gmail account for group hangouts all the time (role-playing game group that's geographically distributed, for example). I mean, I'll use hangouts meet or whatever instead of vidchat hangouts, but only if it exists.

I agree, since I engage in a bit of this myself, though admittedly the largest such chat got moved over to Slack a while ago due to the (at the time) lack of any easy way to remove someone from a group hangout.

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by pound »

ucaetano wrote: post #110
pound wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so here is consumer case: weekly video call to parents, who live separately. Duo? 1-on-1. Hangouts Meet? enterprise. Original Hangouts? Who knows how long it will be here, but hey, Google Voice suddenly got updated after 5 years of neglect. Doesn't get any more clear than this.

I'm not saying that they cover every use-case, just that now they have a very clear targeting. If they don't support your use-case, use someone else's product.

but is this use case seems that exotic to you?

it's not a 'consumer' target then, but a '1-on-1' use case => segmenting by use cases

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by ucaetano »

pound wrote: post #112
ucaetano wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that they cover every use-case, just that now they have a very clear targeting. If they don't support your use-case, use someone else's product.

but is this use case seems that exotic to you? it's not a 'consumer' target then, but a '1-on-1' use case => segmenting by use cases

I think it is an uncommon use case, but I wouldn't say exotic. On the other hand, which of the latest services support it? WhatsApp doesn't, FaceTime doesn't (although they're rumored to soon). So I'd guess it isn't common enough to be launched in the initial versions.

On your second point, yes, you're segmenting by use case, I was segmenting by target customer.

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by pound »

ucaetano wrote: post #113
pound wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but is this use case seems that exotic to you? it's not a 'consumer' target then, but a '1-on-1' use case => segmenting by use cases

I think it is an uncommon use case, but I wouldn't say exotic. On the other hand, which of the latest services support it? WhatsApp doesn't, FaceTime doesn't (although they're rumored to soon). So I'd guess it isn't common enough to be launched in the initial versions. On your second point, yes, you're segmenting by use case, I was segmenting by target customer.

no, how does supporting only one video call use case by app mean target is consumer and not that use case?

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by unprepare »

LordWinstanley wrote: post #50
certifiedloud wrote: post #31

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I use PushBullet to send SMS from my computer. It get's the job done. https://www.pushbullet.com/

Join[1] is a nice alternative to PushBullet. Does most of what PushBullet does [including sending SMS from your computer] but costs a one-time fee of £4,99, instead of PushBullet's monthly subscription. [1] https://joaoapps.com/join/

i think airdroid is free or one time as well.

https://www.airdroid.com/

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by ucaetano »

pound wrote: post #114
ucaetano wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is an uncommon use case, but I wouldn't say exotic. On the other hand, which of the latest services support it? WhatsApp doesn't, FaceTime doesn't (although they're rumored to soon). So I'd guess it isn't common enough to be launched in the initial versions. On your second point, yes, you're segmenting by use case, I was segmenting by target customer.

no, how does supporting only one video call use case by app mean target is consumer and not that use case?

It isn't "supporting only one video" that mean the target is consumer. Allo & Duo have no enterprise features, and are publicly marketed to consumers. Hangouts is marketed & sold as part of GSuite, the enterprise productivity suite from Google.

Targeting determines features, not the other way around.

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by cwyers »

ucaetano wrote: post #117
pound wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, how does supporting only one video call use case by app mean target is consumer and not that use case?

It isn't "supporting only one video" that mean the target is consumer. Allo & Duo have no enterprise features, and are publicly marketed to consumers. Hangouts is marketed & sold as part of GSuite, the enterprise productivity suite from Google. Targeting determines features, not the other way around.

> Hangouts is marketed & sold as part of GSuite, the enterprise productivity suite from Google.

And is embedded inside consumer Gmail, and included by default on every Android phone I've seen since it replaced Google Talk or GChat or whatever it replaced. It's the default SMS app on a lot of Android devices. What's enterprise about it?

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by jbpetersen »

ketralnis wrote: post #24

So now they have: * Gmail * Google Talk * Google Voice * Allo * Duo * Hangouts Chat * Hangouts Meet Am I missing any products that compete with their own other products?

It's almost like Google is the new Microsoft according to a certain famous parody of corporate hierarchies.

Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet

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Post by dragonwriter »

ucaetano wrote: post #117
pound wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, how does supporting only one video call use case by app mean target is consumer and not that use case?

It isn't "supporting only one video" that mean the target is consumer. Allo & Duo have no enterprise features, and are publicly marketed to consumers. Hangouts is marketed & sold as part of GSuite, the enterprise productivity suite from Google. Targeting determines features, not the other way around.

Hangouts being marketed primarily as part of GSuite and not as a consumer app is a recent pivot.
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