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Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by timsneath »

jasode wrote: post #55
LyalinDotCom wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Due to licensing complexity of today's installer we just can't make the ISO for you but in the link above as you pointed out you can create your own. We're sorry for that but its what we can offer today.

Fyi... I just tried the offline download and after 34 minutes, it is hung and won't finish. The command line I used: vs_Enterprise.exe --layout z:\VS2017_RTM --lang en-US last lines of the console: ... Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=823168' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833503' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.mi…

Thanks the report, @jasode. I'm bringing in a few folk to take a look.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by suyash »

Most of the web dev features they are so excited about already have been in various IDE's (IDEA, Sublime with plugins, Netbeans etc) for couple of years. Some of which are source map, live reload, linter, ES5/6 support etc.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by cm2187 »

Metasyntactic wrote: post #106
eitland wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a newcomer to .net I was really confused by the lacking refactoring support in Visual Studio (yes, things we spoiled Java brats take for granted like extract method, extract class, move to separate file etc). Is this available in VS 2017? Edit: and live unit testing! I was looking forward to that until I found out it was only available in the enterprise version. (And yes, here you have an edge on Java anyway I thi…

Hi Eitland! I'm a dev on the C#/VB IDE experience (and i've written and maintain many of the Refactorings for those languages). C# and VB do support refactorings like 'Extract Method' and 'Move to Separate File'. We've also exposed a full analysis and code manipulation API through 'Roslyn' so that community members can contribute even more refactorings through extensions. One reason this may not have been clear is th…

I'm afraid intellisense in VS 2017 is still a bit of a regression from VS2013, at least for the VB IDE.

Some gifs I prepared a while ago to explain what I mean (it seems that the parenthesis problem has been fixed in VS2017 though):

https://zbpublic.blob.core.windows.net/grrrrr/Grrrrr.htm

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by n00b101 »

ebattalio wrote: post #91
n00b101 wrote: post #48

I'm excited to use VS 2017 and generally very pleased with their C++ language support and integrations like git and cmake. It's a minor nitpick, but I must say I was disappointed to see this issue unceremoniously closed: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-stud...

It has been reopened. I am curious, did you vote for this item? If so, did you receive an email when we closed it? Thanks! Eric, VC++ Team

Cool! No I had not voted, but did now.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by aanm1988 »

nathanm412 wrote: post #59
romanovcode wrote: post #52

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You can do that, but without pushing it down my throat using people who are clearly are not interested in participating in said activities.

This announcement wasn't targeted to just you individually. I don't see "Visual Studio 2017 Launch Video for overly sensitive romanovcode" anywhere in the title. Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? No one is forcing you to participate in watching this video. The whole industry would do better without people like you. In fact…

> Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event?

Public speaking and the ability to give a presentation well don't necessarily follow from that title.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by Metasyntactic »

cm2187 wrote: post #113
Metasyntactic wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Eitland! I'm a dev on the C#/VB IDE experience (and i've written and maintain many of the Refactorings for those languages). C# and VB do support refactorings like 'Extract Method' and 'Move to Separate File'. We've also exposed a full analysis and code manipulation API through 'Roslyn' so that community members can contribute even more refactorings through extensions. One reason this may not have been clear is th…

I'm afraid intellisense in VS 2017 is still a bit of a regression from VS2013, at least for the VB IDE. Some gifs I prepared a while ago to explain what I mean (it seems that the parenthesis problem has been fixed in VS2017 though): https://zbpublic.blob.core.windows.net/grrrrr/Grrrrr.htm

Hi CM2187. Can you file these bugs over at https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn We can take a look and hopefully get fixes out for you soon!

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by Hansi »

timsneath wrote: post #110
erryoiruye wrote: post #28

Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Vi…

A few quick thoughts on the topic of ISOs, to give you all a little extra context. 1. Visual Studio 2017 is a huge product, because we support so many types of development: from Android to UWP to C++ to Unity to Linux. If we were to still offer a 'full' install, it would come in at over 50GB. That's one huge ISO image! 2. We surveyed hundreds of people during the previews and RCs, and people told us that they had his…

The lack of an ISO is a bit anti-enterprise I feel. Working in a bank with firewalls that flag a lot of stuff as false positive blocked items using the builder is problematic. The 2015 ISOs solved a lot of issues for us in terms of building a deployment via SCCM. I'm getting a headache just thinking about trying to get pulling hundreds of packaged executables through the firewall signed off by IT Security.

I feel an ISO including only standard packages from Microsoft itself would solve a lot of issues.

Layout is really crappy around blocked files or corporate firewalls. It feels untested in anything other than a completely open environment because some of the package downloads can fail silently with a fuzzy enterprise proxy. Creating layouts for patches seems dependant on what direction the wind is blowing, I think 2015 Update 3 took about 4 tries to download everything correctly and only way to verify was reading through the logs. Also that one needed a random Windows KB update on Windows 7 which was extra fun.

Better handling for layout around error handling and validation of downloads would be a boon. It would be great if there was a way of verifying an already created layout. Is there any way?

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by yiwang110 »

timsneath wrote: post #110
erryoiruye wrote: post #28

Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Vi…

A few quick thoughts on the topic of ISOs, to give you all a little extra context. 1. Visual Studio 2017 is a huge product, because we support so many types of development: from Android to UWP to C++ to Unity to Linux. If we were to still offer a 'full' install, it would come in at over 50GB. That's one huge ISO image! 2. We surveyed hundreds of people during the previews and RCs, and people told us that they had his…

"an ISO image is incomplete, often outdated, and potentially insecure" is simply not true. If we use the --layout option to download the package for offline installation, the packages can also be "incomplete, often outdated, and potentially insecure" after a while.Worse yet, because it's just a folder, people can add/remove file from the offline installation folder.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by yiwang110 »

timsneath wrote: post #110
erryoiruye wrote: post #28

Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Vi…

A few quick thoughts on the topic of ISOs, to give you all a little extra context. 1. Visual Studio 2017 is a huge product, because we support so many types of development: from Android to UWP to C++ to Unity to Linux. If we were to still offer a 'full' install, it would come in at over 50GB. That's one huge ISO image! 2. We surveyed hundreds of people during the previews and RCs, and people told us that they had his…

"And so we fear that offering an ISO will just creating more disappointment." - well, no, what we want is not a "ISO" file, but a single file can be downloaded easily. Look at Xcode please, that's how IDE update should be done. You don't need to innovate, just do exactly what Xcode does.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by orf »

yiwang110 wrote: post #80
tracker1 wrote: post #71

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The licensing complexity comes from things like downloading cordova and the android sdk, etc... Which are options that you can select. Distributing in ISO form, would mean changing the installer license, as opposed to optional licenses to agree to, you have to then composite the whole.

easy - how about making cordova, android sdks, etc as a downloadable component after the main Visual Studio is installed?

> easy... just do this thing I have no idea about nor any clue how it would implemented

lol.

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