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We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by mi100hael »

zellyn wrote: post #83
AckSyn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* file uploads in your chat client are misplaced at best, and "rich" environments with formatting and images are 99.999% distractions * channel services can provide archiving and notifications. * scrollback can be handled by a bouncer, yes, but it's up to the IT dept to set it up per-user * there are plenty of usable irc clients for mobile, web, and desktop to satisfy this need. source: Started using telegram/slack b…

> * file uploads in your chat client are misplaced at best, and "rich" environments with formatting and images are 99.999% distractions Nope. They're extremely useful. Just offhand I can think of tons of times we've (a) pasted metric graphs, (b) pasted annotated screengrabs, (c) pasted snippets of code, (d) pasted snippets of test output. None of this is easy in IRC.

But once they're pasted in there, they can only be used there. It's barely harder to upload a file to any myriad of file sharing/hosting services and paste a link which most graphical IRC clients can be configured to auto-expand (and users who don't care/don't want a bunch of images can choose to handle links differently)

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by zellyn »

mi100hael wrote: post #111
zellyn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * file uploads in your chat client are misplaced at best, and "rich" environments with formatting and images are 99.999% distractions Nope. They're extremely useful. Just offhand I can think of tons of times we've (a) pasted metric graphs, (b) pasted annotated screengrabs, (c) pasted snippets of code, (d) pasted snippets of test output. None of this is easy in IRC.

But once they're pasted in there, they can only be used there. It's barely harder to upload a file to any myriad of file sharing/hosting services and paste a link which most graphical IRC clients can be configured to auto-expand (and users who don't care/don't want a bunch of images can choose to handle links differently)

I want the text snippets to be shown inline. I'm fine with Slack owning the image assets, because I don't have to worry about permissions the way I would if I uploaded them somewhere else (unless it was to some other internal tool).

I've been on IRC since 1993, and I'm an accomplished programmer. I still find setting up and configuring ZNC and an IRC client complicated, error-error prone, and confusing. And it doesn't always work - sometimes it quits working for no reason and I have to restart things.

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by [deleted] »

zellyn wrote: post #112
mi100hael wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But once they're pasted in there, they can only be used there. It's barely harder to upload a file to any myriad of file sharing/hosting services and paste a link which most graphical IRC clients can be configured to auto-expand (and users who don't care/don't want a bunch of images can choose to handle links differently)

I want the text snippets to be shown inline. I'm fine with Slack owning the image assets, because I don't have to worry about permissions the way I would if I uploaded them somewhere else (unless it was to some other internal tool). I've been on IRC since 1993, and I'm an accomplished programmer. I still find setting up and configuring ZNC and an IRC client complicated, error-error prone, and confusing. And it doesn'…

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Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by zellyn »

zellyn wrote: post #112
mi100hael wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But once they're pasted in there, they can only be used there. It's barely harder to upload a file to any myriad of file sharing/hosting services and paste a link which most graphical IRC clients can be configured to auto-expand (and users who don't care/don't want a bunch of images can choose to handle links differently)

I want the text snippets to be shown inline. I'm fine with Slack owning the image assets, because I don't have to worry about permissions the way I would if I uploaded them somewhere else (unless it was to some other internal tool). I've been on IRC since 1993, and I'm an accomplished programmer. I still find setting up and configuring ZNC and an IRC client complicated, error-error prone, and confusing. And it doesn'…

In particular, there are many settings that mention security, encryption, and certificates. It's unclear what combinations are sensible, supported, or necessary.

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by pavel_lishin »

zellyn wrote: post #112
mi100hael wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But once they're pasted in there, they can only be used there. It's barely harder to upload a file to any myriad of file sharing/hosting services and paste a link which most graphical IRC clients can be configured to auto-expand (and users who don't care/don't want a bunch of images can choose to handle links differently)

I want the text snippets to be shown inline. I'm fine with Slack owning the image assets, because I don't have to worry about permissions the way I would if I uploaded them somewhere else (unless it was to some other internal tool). I've been on IRC since 1993, and I'm an accomplished programmer. I still find setting up and configuring ZNC and an IRC client complicated, error-error prone, and confusing. And it doesn'…

fwiw, I use bip rather than znc.

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by vorpalhex »

xkxx wrote: post #106
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

I switched over a large group of friends from using a gazillion hangouts to slack and it's mostly been an improvement. That being said, there's a lot less of us: around 30. I'm definitely disappointed to hear about this. The pricing model sucks for us as well since it means $60 a head to add someone to the friend group if we wanted to pay for slack. If we could pay a fixed price and get a slightly better message hist…

> we had issues with some people not having access at work. Do you know why it happens? Do those companies block Discord as an "unprofessional" website?

Yeah, it's "gaming" related. Which to be fair, is why we use it...

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by vorpalhex »

dpark wrote: post #27
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

I switched over a large group of friends from using a gazillion hangouts to slack and it's mostly been an improvement. That being said, there's a lot less of us: around 30. I'm definitely disappointed to hear about this. The pricing model sucks for us as well since it means $60 a head to add someone to the friend group if we wanted to pay for slack. If we could pay a fixed price and get a slightly better message hist…

Slack isn't intended for "friends". Their business model is clearly aimed at supporting teams inside businesses. $60 per head is absurd for a tool to chat with friends but pretty reasonable for a business that gets real value from the tool.

They clearly indicate otherwise. Slack is certainly meant as a productivity tool, but they make several claims:

+ For all kinds of "Work"

+ For teams of all types and sizes

+ Bringing people together to make them productive

Compare that to the messaging for say Hipchat:

+ "Team chat built for business"

+ Enterprise features

+ Loved by your IT team

(Edit - Formatting)

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by Svip »

lmm wrote: post #59
Svip wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I contend that my question was slightly snarky. As someone who moves from computer to computer a lot, having a unified client is quite critical. With IRC and Bitleebee, I can combine a lot of protocols in one client, keep it running in a screen, and access it via SSH. I realise my setup is hardly common, and I contend that the main issues with IRC are the clients and the account systems. However , both those issues (…

> With IRC and Bitleebee, I can combine a lot of protocols in one client, keep it running in a screen, and access it via SSH. At which point you're not really using IRC. You're using the Bittleebee-commands-over-SSH protocol. This protocol has a number of issues: it requires having a server with a unix user account running on it (which is a massive attack surface, no-one can offer a server like that for free or it wi…

I apologise, I wasn't clear. I primarily use IRC, but I also use Bitleebee, but it isn't my primarily protocol(s). I just meant that I could combine all these protocols in one client.

As for Slack's IRC gateway, I think it's pretty decent, yes. I personally prefer it to Slack's own client (again, that's just me). But this is what bothers me about Discord, because that doesn't offer an IRC gateway, and I am forced to use their client(s).

And if you're like me - which apparently few are - and you are in many different communities, that use different protocols to communicate, having a bunch of different clients just means more hassle.

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by zedadex »

throwanem wrote: post #38
HalfwayToDice wrote: post #26

How to view Medium pages on Safari Mavericks without crashing the browser? It's been happening for weeks.

Try blocking Javascript for medium.com? I'm sure there's a plugin for that, but use Firefox for general browsing on all platforms where it's a thing, so can't make a specific recommendation. I do have the same problem in Safari on iOS 9.3.5, but I suppose that must have tab isolation, since the whole browser doesn't go down.

Ublock's advanced features are pretty nice + handy for selective script enabling/disabling. It does it by origin rather than kind of course, but if you're looking for a quick toggle you might already have one in your toolbar :)

Re: We Tried Slack and We Deeply Regretted It (2015)

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Post by favadi »

it33 wrote: post #101
favadi wrote: post #70

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Do you know if there is any mattermost installation with over 5000 users.

Mattermost team here. Yes, there are multiple Mattermost deployments over 5000 users within enterprises.

Good to know that mattermost works for that large team size!
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