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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Reading this article, one does raise questions about Facebook's past practices which in my opinion, is becoming very aggressive and contradicting. I don't think I need to call them out in particular, just look at all opinion pieces on various analysis of Facebook's numbers with a google search.

I think the HN community have discussed at great lengths and even Veritasium's video have talked about some of the things they like to do when Wall Street is watching.

So my question is, why? Why show one side to the world and the other a very different treatment one that must appease Wall Street?

I get that public companies are on the line when it comes to Wall Street but if a company that is supposedly almost as valuable as Google but unable to print cash like Google, does it not make sense that Facebook will be overly aggressive and downright questionable when it comes to strategies to maximize it's user base which it heavily relies on for it's current valuation?

This is the vibe I'm getting whenever I read something Mark writes. No credibility that matches my standards which other tech giant easily passes.

Just take a look at TWTR. Investors are signaling they are increasingly anxious to see more cash and sooner. TWTR looks like the first to go and as global risk premium increases so do the continued viability of FB against cash rich giants like Google & Microsoft.

I'm going to do some research on FB and see if there's any shorting opportunities. If TWTR can crash and burn, there's nothing stopping FB which operates on the same business model of building an audience first before seriously monetizing it.

I'd love it if somebody could offer more insights or even correct me, but I can't shake the feeling, Facebook is in serious trouble as reflected in their strange policies recently, especially around Fake News and trying to enter an attricious battle in China.

Why would FB keep doing what they were doing 10 years ago if they have money printing machine like Google Adwords? I don't think they'll figure it out in time.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

#113

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Email or text. Facebook itself is entirely unnecessary.

Why not just write a letter? Email and text are entirely unnecessary.

I deactivated my facebook years ago. Everyone who wanted to stay in contact I gave them a po box to write letters to. I check it bimonthly. It's pretty nice honestly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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I work at Facebook. Can you provide another example link for something that's "public" but you can't access? Most public content is accessible without an account.

doesn't the modal "sign up for facebook" that cannot be dismissed take somewhere between 50 and 80% of your screen space? I'm talking of these "public posts" your users chose to share. Or is this just my large font preference for vision impaired? Either way, it leaves very little room for text, sometimes none at all. News flash: Dark patterns harm accessability, but you knew that. Good work.

Yes, I agree that the "Sign Up for Facebook" box is annoying. That's not my wheelhouse and not something I'm likely to have success changing. If, however, public content gives a forced login dialog, that sounds more like a bug that I can fix.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Copying over my comment from the other thread that sparked some interesting debate: I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and ev…

Fair enough. Should 'we' have to comply to 'their' worldview though? The opportunity to participate in a global community without a doubt is a good thing. 'Opportunity' implies that you can opt out. Others willing to take that opportunity shouldn't be kept from doing so though

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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But the point is that the tables flipped entirely. Go back to 1990's and you'll find GOP senators decrying Rage Against The Machine as communist radicals for their opposition to NAFTA. A big chunk of the GOP is still pro-free-markets. If core parts of what "left" and "right" mean are subject to re-definition every 4 years, maybe the polarized tail is wagging the dog.

No - the tables have not flipped. There is 'global left/right' and 'local/national left/right' now. The 'global left' is exemplified by UN. The 'global right' exemplified by WTO. Often, the 'global' version of a movement can be in conflict with the 'local' version. This is seen clearly: 'global leftists' care about migrants - a lot - but immigration can be hurtful to the working class of the host nation. Mass importa…

Why do these gymnastics? Why not just say things as they are, instead of adding a bunch of adjectives so that everything can be "a b c d left" and "j k l p right"?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Just imagine a Chinese, Russian or Indian company head writes such a post.

It's talking about building global communities, so anybody or everybody could or should have such an ambition.

Does that give one a sense of unease thinking about it?

If that is the case then maybe global community in that sense may not be a popular or good idea.

In this context, I'd like to draw your attention to how developing countries viewed technologies and ideas from the developed countries until a couple of decades ago. They've copied them first and then moulded them to their specific needs.

But technologies and ideas of the last decade or so cannot be copied and moulded, instead the ideas subsume them. There's no Facebook like thing in India. They use Facebook. There's no Google like thing in India. They use Google. This is ok as long as it's affecting only a small slice of their experience. However that slice has been growing and becoming more important every passing day. More people are becoming more concerned.

That concern is a lot like the sense of unease I alluded to earlier.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

#118

Copying over my comment from the other thread that sparked some interesting debate: I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and ev…

What are those "real reasons"? And are they against globalization in the abstract or against specific models of global institutions? I find being against globalization in the abstract very strange, because it takes arbitrary historical divisions of human-kind and tries to set them in stone. A global human community almost always seems like a more natural positive future than a fragmented system of hostile parties defined by birth location and operating in anarchy. Maybe I am lacking some context or some value system that the anti-globalist have and which might have its merits, and if so I would love to hear the argument, but to me the idea of "this person is more valuable or interesting to me because it was born my neighbor than anyone born a hundred miles away" seems to lack some ethical foundation. Let alone the same argument defined by religion or race, instead of plain location.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Notable functional promise to reduce prevailence of clickbait/fake news: > Fortunately, there are clear steps we can take to correct these effects. For example, we noticed some people share stories based on sensational headlines without ever reading the story. In general, if you become less likely to share a story after reading it, that's a good sign the headline was sensational. If you're more likely to share a stor…

Same thing should hold true for blind upvotes on social sites like this.

I wonder how it'd work if people with high karma (or HN score whatever it's called) had more than one upvote.

So people that the community trust would have a larger say in what the community saw on the front page. Say for every 1K karma they get an extra 0.1 to their vote... I think mine would be about +1.3

I think the same could work in democracy but on a more fine scale. At the moment my local MP has more of a say in government than I do. Rightly so. But we could make those levels more interesting, if we said that if twenty people endorse you, your vote becomes twice as powerful. I bet someone has thought this through better than me.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

#120

My god it sounds like the philosophical ideals of somebody plucked straight from the Star Trek universe. Are silicon valley billionaires really this detached from reality? The reason globalization is coming to a screeching halt is that human cultures vary so much. It's slowly going away, but in general for a belief to truly die off; everyone that believes in it needs to be dead. This gives us around 70 years before t…

>Zuck should go back to building his internet satellites, that's a lot better use of his billions than some kind of fairy land curated "safe space" for SJW's to hang out in.

Not a fan of Facebook in the least, but I find this to be a rather ironic postscript to a (rightly) critical post about Zuck's privilege.

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