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Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by Veratyr »

anatoly wrote: post #94
Veratyr wrote: post #59

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If you want disk, as in spinning rust, I think it's going to remain that way for a long time. For some reason cloud providers don't like to offer disk at a reasonable price. I suspect it might be because it's not actually a single disk but space on something like a RAID10 SAN, where costs are higher since it inherently requires more hardware. Personally, I settled with colocation. I pay $60/mo + $2k one-off for the i…

Speaking as someone who hasn't tried colocation, would you care to recommend your provider or explain who the Linode and the DO are in that space?

I'm sharing a cabinet with a few other people in one of Hurricane Electric's datacenters. A full cabinet is $400/mo and we split it 7 ways based on space and power consumption.

If you can't get together the people for a full cabinet (which I think is definitely worth it, the more you buy at once, the cheaper it gets), there are a number of providers that offer single server colocation. The only one I've really heard much about though is Joe's Datacenter, which is in Kansas City, Missouri.

Unfortunately there isn't really a "Linode" or "DO" in the colocation space anymore. There used to be https://prgmr.com, which offered transparent pricing based on power and bandwidth usage but they've stopped that I believe. The few global providers are generally geared towards multinational corporations or at least businesses more than small groups or hobbyists. You're really best off with the smaller regional providers near wherever you are.

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by tracker1 »

mattbettinson wrote: post #101
deftnerd wrote: post #78

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Delimiter has a clever solution for $10 a month. They call it Slot Hosting. You ship them a disk and they'll host it and attach it as additional storage on a VPS. https://www.delimiter.com/slot-hosting/ I use it to host an 8tb drive that I then attach to a dedicated server I rent for $20 a month. $30 a month and I have a server that I use for Plex (16 cores, 3.2ghz, 32 gigs of memory, and 10tb of total storage).

Holy, why do you need that computing power for streaming shows/movies?

Transcoding... x265 CPU encodes on even a 2hr video can take several hours on a very fast intel CPU. I've been playing around with nvenc vbr 2-pass which has been giving me good results, not too much larger than the cpu encode in minutes.

But if you want something hosted/online, then it gets harder.

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by mwpmaybe »

msbarnett wrote: post #110
mwpmaybe wrote: post #106

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What is your definition of a "root server" and where do you rent them? Do you mean a dedicated server? I've checked a few providers and none of them come close the costs/benefits you're listing. OVH's EG-16 (4c/8t, 16G, 2x4T) is $79/mo. 1-and-1's L4i (4c/4t, 12G, 2x1T) is $80/mo.

SoYouStart (OVH's lower tier brand) has 4c/4t 32 GB 3x120 GB SSD) for $49/mo. Or same price, same ram, 2x2TB and 8t with a slightly slower clock.

That's interesting. Thank you.

I realize that I am doing that thing where you try to rationalize your preconceived notions, but here are some high-level observations:

* Looks like there are normally setup fees associated with provisioning new servers, although they are suspended at the moment.

* Support seems next to non-existant, which I suppose is not surprising considering they're a low-cost provider.

* SSD-based servers appear to be frequently out-of-stock.

* If you need a KVM attached to your server, it is $30 for 24 hours or $200+ for a week.

* 250Mbps bandwidth (presumably in and out) cf. Linode which is 40G in and 1-10G out.

All that being said, my interest is piqued. I could see this being a good fit if 1. you have a more-or-less dedicated sysadmin, 2. need a lot of storage and/or memory and have solid sizing requirements ahead of time, and 3. cloud (VPS or otherwise) isn't an option due to cost or other facts. It could be great for running your own VM or container cluster. Thanks again for sharing!

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by BrianT »

aseipp wrote: post #108
BrianT wrote: post #98

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[Disclosure - I work at Delimiter] Thanks for the recommendation, slot hosting is a good solution if you need to get a disk online with a VPS attached to it. We've had a lot of people asking how you did this so just to explain: Slot hosting $120/year ($10/month) - that gives you one 3.5" or 2.5" slot to send your disk in. You can aggregate up multiple slots and aggregate the VPS resources into one large VM. This is g…

Can I buy slots and use them from your Cloud Resource Pools, (e.g. for $10/mo on top of the $6/mo for the Pool)? That's an interesting configuration...

The slots are just a VM + Disk. You can setup the VM to serve the disk contents by NFS or CIFS etc and mount it on any of our products.

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by BrianT »

thatusernametho wrote: post #100
BrianT wrote: post #98

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[Disclosure - I work at Delimiter] Thanks for the recommendation, slot hosting is a good solution if you need to get a disk online with a VPS attached to it. We've had a lot of people asking how you did this so just to explain: Slot hosting $120/year ($10/month) - that gives you one 3.5" or 2.5" slot to send your disk in. You can aggregate up multiple slots and aggregate the VPS resources into one large VM. This is g…

Why annual pricing? I'd do it if you had monthly pricing.....Since the payment is annual what happens if 2 or 3 months in I decide to change and need something else?

Slot hosting moved to annual only as administering a customer-owned equipment adds an additional layer of headache.

Its not cost effective to have customers who want to load up on 'warez' cancelling their service, shipping back their disk to get it back the next week empty for another round.

We're positioning this as a long-term storage product where customers don't want to be paying the hosting company each month for disks.

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by biot »

Matheus28 wrote: post #90
mwpmaybe wrote: post #86

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Well, they've changed in the past... it's fine as long as the plans corresponding to the PlanIDs never get smaller or more expensive. This particular change violates that assumption and so is definitely not fine.

The hardcoded plan (PlanID 2) that I had in my program was pointing to a 4 GB 2 CPU plan (4 GB), now it's pointing to a 2 GB 1 CPU plan (2 GB).

There is an API method to query plans: https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.linodeplans

Presumably you can select the relevant ID based on plan properties (cores, RAM, etc.) rather than hardcoding IDs. Though I completely agree that once a plan has a specific ID, as long as that plan is available the ID should be constant.

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by biot »

tomschlick wrote: post #36
nik736 wrote: post #31

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Well, you get a 10 Gbps pipe with DO, while only 75 Mbps with Linode, lol!

Linode is 40Gbps IN, 1Gbps out for the $5 instance. The 75Mbps was a misprint.

From Soh (Linode) in the comments [0]: "We’ve deliberated and brought the floor for all plans to have 1000Mbps. Thanks for your feedback!"

So it appears that 75Mbps was the initial speed but after some internal deliberation (possibly influenced by feedback), they raised it to 1000Mbps.

[0] https://blog.linode.com/2017/02/14/high-memory-instances-and...

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by Hello71 »

nacs wrote: post #104
Hello71 wrote: post #67

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DO isn't any better, just hasn't been targeted by any serious attackers yet. until very recently, they didn't allow using a custom kernel (except via kexec hackaround) and were quite slow updating their kernel for security patches. they repeatedly gave random dates for implementation, then repeatedly pushed them back, then eventually just ignored users on this issue for years . their images were also poorly sanitized…

> just hasn't been targeted by any serious attackers yet. Source? Just because they haven't announced any successful security breaches, doesn't mean they haven't been seriously targeted. In fact, considering the amount of times my random dedicated server instance (not hosted at DO) gets hit with random attacks, I'm sure a large provider like DO has had numerous serious, targeted attacks against their network/servers/…

> Source? Just because they haven't announced any successful security breaches, doesn't mean they haven't been seriously targeted.

True, and in fact the only basis for my statement is that they have historically taken security so not-seriously that it would be surprising if they were in fact able to withstand advanced attacks, given that even the most secure organizations are often unable to do so. (see: every talk at Black Hat)

> In fact, considering the amount of times my random dedicated server instance (not hosted at DO) gets hit with random attacks, I'm sure a large provider like DO has had numerous serious, targeted attacks against their network/servers/control panel/etc.

this statement is just as baseless as mine. perhaps even moreso, since the two numbers seem to have nothing to do with each other. one could just as well say "my server gets lots of bogus SSH attempts, so banks get robbed a lot".

Re: High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes

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Post by mwpmaybe »

biot wrote: post #117
Matheus28 wrote: post #90

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The hardcoded plan (PlanID 2) that I had in my program was pointing to a 4 GB 2 CPU plan (4 GB), now it's pointing to a 2 GB 1 CPU plan (2 GB).

There is an API method to query plans: https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.linodeplans Presumably you can select the relevant ID based on plan properties (cores, RAM, etc.) rather than hardcoding IDs. Though I completely agree that once a plan has a specific ID, as long as that plan is available the ID should be constant.

Yeah, that's... not practical.

What if they upgrade the 1024 plan to 1536? (That has actually happened, by the way.) Now you're extracting the number and comparing it to a range?

> Give me the plan where the RAM is >= 1024 and What if they upgrade the 1536 plan to 2048?

> Nevermind, just give me the plan with two cores.

Okay, do you want the $20/mo plan or the $120/mo plan?

> Fine, sort the plans by cores and memory and give me the smallest plan.

Oops, they introduced a new plan with one core and less (i.e. not enough) storage.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just impractical.

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