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Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by signa11 »

fsckin wrote: post #79
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

I tried to flag a taxi in downtown Shanghai for 45 minutes and finally gave into the broken English speaking motorcycle taxi who had been circling the block every five minutes. Riding bitch through Hangpu to Pudong with a laptop in one arm while lane splitting with aggressive (and otherwise bad drivers) all around was a rather exciting experience. Even with a skilled pilot, the adrenaline rush was similar to my first…

> Even with a skilled pilot, the adrenaline rush was similar to my first time tandem skydiving.

following lines from neal-stephenson's cryptonomicon come to mind:

      "like Disneyland with the safety locks taken off"

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by thecopy »

luhn wrote: post #105
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #102

I said it before and I'll say it again: You might not be able to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime but when you do you've got an aircraft carrier. GM (and the other automotive manufacturers for that matter) decided they wanted in on self driving and electric vehicles, had a few meetings, wrote a few checks and a few years later look at the result. Are Google and Tesla going to reply with similar videos?

> You might not be able to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime but when you do you've got an aircraft carrier. I'm not sure what this means.

I interpret it as GM/Ford etc, the big ones, means serious competetion when they start focusing on this, but they are slow to start the focus since they are big.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by dehugger »

abalone wrote: post #57

At the risk of sounding pedantic this is not a Level 4 demo. It is a Level 2 demo where the driver didn't have to intervene during the demonstrated route. What's the difference? Apart from the legal requirement to have a diver ready to take over in test vehicles (which necessarily makes it Level 2), the fundamental difference is that you'd have to show a lot more than one demo to establish that you've achieved Level…

I was very impressed at the number of fringe cases it handled.

A car forcing a merge right in front of it, an armored car taking a lane and a half where it had to wait to go around (there were numerous instances of similar lane blockages that it navigated around), a pedestrian jay walking in front of it, a bus picking up passengers, a bike cutting in front of it, and car pulling out in front of it in heavy traffic.

I had no idea they could handle that many scenarios already.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by calt »

ajmurmann wrote: post #66
Animats wrote: post #17

Nice. It's annoying that they provide only 10x sped up video. Watching this slowed down is helpful. Notes: * There are frequent steering twitches to the left. This may be associated with passing parked cars. There are similar twitches to the right when in the left lane of a one-way street. * Crosswalk behavior when turning needs some work. The vehicle enters the intersection, then stops in the intersection before the…

Some of these issues sound more like issues with the traffic in SF than with the car. Maybe the cars highlight that issues to us and we can fix it instead of work around it. Bicycle lanes turning into turning lanes leads to accidents and aggression between cars and bikes. Trucks shouldn't be allowed to double park. Maybe self driving cars are like there be dev on the team who points out all the shitty code that you'v…

Traffic in SF is traffic that works imho. I love the nuance and judgment that drivers are forced to use. I feel safer walking/bicycling/motorcycling here than in any other city, and that speaks volumes about the city's livability. Density creates these problems, and density is good for other reasons. It's only in suburbs and rural areas that every store can have a loading zone, but then no one can walk anywhere.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by bfstein »

luhn wrote: post #105
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #102

I said it before and I'll say it again: You might not be able to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime but when you do you've got an aircraft carrier. GM (and the other automotive manufacturers for that matter) decided they wanted in on self driving and electric vehicles, had a few meetings, wrote a few checks and a few years later look at the result. Are Google and Tesla going to reply with similar videos?

> You might not be able to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime but when you do you've got an aircraft carrier. I'm not sure what this means.

He's saying that while it may be more difficult to change strategic direction of a $50B company (Ford/Gm/etc.), once you do, you have a huge company and giant production line behind you.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by deepGem »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77
tigershark wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. And the video although not new is quite impressive. But if the claim of the author that San Francisco is a tough city in which to drive is true, than I fear that some parts of Italy (and probably A LOT of cities in the world) won't have self driving cars for a very long time. When I saw the video the first time I was very impressed, but I would have never imagined that for someone that was a VERY…

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

If a machine is able to drive in Bangalore, I'll presume that Artificial General Intelligence has dawned upon us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwJD9NG6NQ

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by yhager »

Animats wrote: post #31
abalone wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I counted 30 seconds of being stuck behind the unloading van with no way to pass without crossing double yellow. I didn't notice the autonomous green light turn off though. Possibly the algorithm is, if you're stuck then certain rules become flexible. Worth mentioning, 30 seconds would feel like an eternity inside a car.

I assumed the "autonomous green light" was added in post-production, along with the timer and the company logo. Google had another crash last month.[1] As usual, it was probably the other driver's fault. Other driver apparently botched a left turn in a two-lane left turn intersection at Rengsdorf and El Camino. Google drives in traffic on the SF peninsula every day, and we know exactly how many times they've crashed.…

wow, this document is redacted quite poorly

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by riffraff »

abalone wrote: post #57

At the risk of sounding pedantic this is not a Level 4 demo. It is a Level 2 demo where the driver didn't have to intervene during the demonstrated route. What's the difference? Apart from the legal requirement to have a diver ready to take over in test vehicles (which necessarily makes it Level 2), the fundamental difference is that you'd have to show a lot more than one demo to establish that you've achieved Level…

How is "downtown city" even defined? Driving in SF seems vastly different from driving in Rome, Istanbul or Ho Chi Min City.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

jasonlingx wrote: post #90
f_allwein wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this video of traffic in Hyderabad, India. Whole different kind of logic applies there: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjG_S8XJM4

As we get to 100% autonomy, traffic will probably look like this but 100x faster and safer.

Something you often see in simulation. But I wounded if these simulations ever use different decision engines and criteria for different vehicles. The different manufacturers are going to produce their own software (some at least) and not treat an encounter the same way. Are we going to have race conditions or "database" lock-like situations (not sure what to call it), as cars try to interpret each others behaviour?
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