NeverSSL

Post by gumby » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 3:34 AM UTC

droopybuns wrote: post #72

hannob wrote: post #66

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What would you suggest if someone wants payment for a water tab? Ever seen that? I think we should move towards considering Internet access as a general service that people make available for their guests/customers.

How do you see this scaling? Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it? Is it reasonable to assume that companies that don't charge for wifi can afford the staff to make sure that users don't abuse it? I am considering your proposal & I don't see it working at all.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 3:41 AM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #105

OriginalPenguin wrote: post #92

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It shouldn't be too expensive for a restaurant to do. Although a restaurant can get by without wifi, most modern restaurants have it for managing OpenTable, monitoring yelp reviews, ordering supplies online, etc. I guess the signal might get a bit worse the farther away you get from the wifi router, but in general, providing wifi to customers shouldn't cost any additional money.

"It shouldn't be too expensive for a restaurant to do." Heck, most McDonalds restaurants have free wifi these days, and that's about as cheap as it comes.

Post by HappyTypist » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 3:56 AM UTC

pfranz wrote: post #89

Gaelan wrote: post #79

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Apple uses a large amount of domains to avoid this problem.

Really? My point was, I have no specific idea why, but I /constantly/ have problems. My solution is to go to a non-https website in Safari and use the clickthrough. It seems to be on certain networks (not just a % of the time on all networks). The experience has gotten a lot better. I see Apple's pop up covering a lot more corner cases, but after years I see have problems almost every time I travel.

Post by dnautics » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 4:07 AM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #34

This is handy. I was at an airport and was helping numerous people with android devices get through the wifi portals, and dealing with the same frustrating failure of the captive-portal redirect. Android is supposed to detect that there's a redirect and give you a notification that takes you to the login page, but it's very inconsistent. I usually use Xkcd for that purpose, one of the few lightweight non-ssl sites I…

Post by fragmede » Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 4:59 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #116

bisby wrote: post #15

It's sad, because these are the kinds of things that confuse the hell out of "common folk" and explaining requires explaining HTTPS, HSTS, how captive WiFi portals work, and then ultimately, why there isn't a better solution... which maybe doesn't have a great answer. I feel like this "workaround" site is designed to draw attention to the problem at hand more than it is meant to be useful for the task at hand?

How DO captive wifi portals work? Can I set one up on a home network with a regular router without WifiDog or some other OpenWRT firmware? Maybe somehow use one of the computers on the network to run a DNS server that all requests go through??